Jakob Ingebrigtsen takes down WR holder Samuel Tefera (and his big brother) in battle of teenage stars in Dusseldorf 1500

I will e-mail you what you sent to me. You or your brother did send me an e-mail telling me not to focus on race or such. I appreciate you have a hard time moderating these forums, especially having to balance taking a clear anti-doping stance and dealing with accusations from a few hysterical forum members of allowing 'racism' for not banning people who do talk about the clear problem in East Africa.

There will be a day when Kenya falls off the running map for sure. But it will have more to do with the economic development of the nation vs drug testing.

As I’ve said before, a huge part of a country’s dominance in a sport, in any sport, is participation. Participation decreases as people have other focuses: education, careers, financial freedom to take holidays - and better ways to make money.

fjordfun wrote:

longjack wrote:

there are doping hot spots that move around, from the us, to Canada to Jamaica, to carrib, to Africa, sa, Kenya and ethopia are hot right now.

Kenya is busted, next up is ethopia busts, then south Africa.

could it be any more obvious?

sad.

Isn't S. Africa where the Swedish kid just did a training stint before the race? I see what you are insinuating.

sorry, i'm not in the loop on Norway guys, nor to I make a guess because I have no data what so ever.

on ethopia, there will be a lot of busts coming up once they start proper testing. I insinuate that. quote me, wager me.

Coevett wrote:

Is this the same Kip Kenio who was recently charged with embezzelling millions of dollars intended for young Kenyan athletes training for the Rio Olympics

He and his six co-defendants are accused of embezzling more than $222,000. In addition, $166,000 was alleged to have been wasted on unused air tickets, $157,000 on overpaid allowances, and $64,000 on expenditures to “unauthorized persons”.

Hardly "millions of dollars".

Coevett wrote:

and only got off with it because Kenyan MPs (the most corrupt in the world) demanded he not be prosecuted because he's a 'Kenyan hero'?

Source?

Serious stuff, if true, which I doubt it is.

To clarify: No, ingebrigtsen is from NORWAY not SWEDEN. BIG difference.

And I can asssure you that they is not involved in any doping. But they stay

for months every year in high altitude to get those red blood cells naturally.

In Norway there is ZERO tolerance for doping. And if one of the brother was doing anything

shady, he would kill the career for all three of them.

And I dont have any reason to believe Tefera is doing anything illegal either.

Enjoy two fantastic athletes, stop this childish quarreling in this forum

Should be easy to provide a link to the posts where I allegedly made such vile, hateful remarks about fellow African brothers ... I’ll wait.

And, no! I’ve never called for ALL foreigners to be kicked out of the country. I’ve only stated that any foreigners found to have abetted doping be asked to leave and be banned permanently. Kenyans just don’t do xenophobia; that’s something we expect from several elected right wing governments in the West. As a matter of fact, before the Arab Spring and the ensuing refugee crisis, Kenya was host to more refugees than any other country in the world.

Such a pathological liar.

Nor-way wrote:

To clarify: No, ingebrigtsen is from NORWAY not SWEDEN. BIG difference.

And I can asssure you that they is not involved in any doping. But they stay

for months every year in high altitude to get those red blood cells naturally.

In Norway there is ZERO tolerance for doping. And if one of the brother was doing anything

shady, he would kill the career for all three of them.

And I dont have any reason to believe Tefera is doing anything illegal either.

Enjoy two fantastic athletes, stop this childish quarreling in this forum

hi gjert ingebrigtsen ;)

Coevett wrote:

Is this the same Kip Kenio who was recently charged with embezzelling millions of dollars intended for young Kenyan athletes training for the Rio Olympics, and only got off with it because Kenyan MPs (the most corrupt in the world) demanded he not be prosecuted because he's a 'Kenyan hero'?

Nothing suspicious about that at all.

Ignoring your misinformation about the Keino situation, just because a country ranks high (or is it low? I don’t know which) on the corruption index doesn’t mean its people are inherently dishonest. It’s about systems and enforcement of anti corruption legislation. You, for example, are from a country that’s rated less corrupt, yet lying appears to be in your DNA. You think Scandinavians (least corrupt countries) never lie or cheat? Or better still, the United States elected president a man who’s every other sentence is a provable lie. Does that mean most Americans don’t care for the truth?

We all agree that doping is bad. The best way to handle doping is to strengthen antidoping effort.

We are in the wonderful situation with fabolous young talent of various countries from different continents in middle distance: Samuel, Justus, Jakob and George. Please put away those stoneage discussions.

Semiler wrote:

We all agree that doping is bad. The best way to handle doping is to strengthen antidoping effort.

We are in the wonderful situation with fabolous young talent of various countries from different continents in middle distance: Samuel, Justus, Jakob and George. Please put away those stoneage discussions.

Regrettably, doping is not a stone-age pursuit.

El K, I responded to your questions but your silence speaks volumes.

Ingebrigtsens are gods wrote:

Just because only 26 athletes have run faster than 3:34 doesn't mean it is a fast time.

yeah, actually it does. the event has been competed worldwide for over 100 years now. to be in the top 26 of all time? and thats not fast?

hahahahaha wow

If you’re wanting Coevett to correct the record you are going to be waiting a long time. He is incapable of refraining from lying and doesn’t have the character to admit and retract when those lies are pointed out. His word is mud.

I'm not alleging the Ingerbritsens are doping, but nobody should be thinking that Norwegian athletes are all clean, because some have doped, both professional cyclists and skiiers. Most recently:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-2018-nors-norway/norways-cross-country-olympic-success-clouded-by-asthma-drug-ethics-idUSKBN1EV0EC

Again, this says nothing about the brothers, but Norwegian athletes get seduced by max performance shortcuts just like others athletes have across different sports. I hope they are clean.

State Renaissance Tefera wrote:

Semiler wrote:

Indoor season is not taken all that seriously other than in the US.

Gebrselassie, Pedroso, Bubka, and Sotomayor.

Also the whole sport of Athletics isn’t “taken all that seriously” by whatever arbitrary definition you were going for.

Stefan Holm. Seven international titles - 6 of them indoor. Jumped 2,40 indoor.

soooobvious wrote:

LetsEatDoughnutsInstead wrote:

Time and time again people break records back-to-back. I wouldn't be surprised if he breaks the record again being pushed by the brothers, especially given how he races. His fitness right now is amazing.

People break records back-to-back? Aha. Can you please give some examples for this bold statement.

Wilson Kipketer is the only one I can remember. Any more?

ric flair woo wrote:

Ingebrigtsens are gods wrote:

Just because only 26 athletes have run faster than 3:34 doesn't mean it is a fast time.

yeah, actually it does. the event has been competed worldwide for over 100 years now. to be in the top 26 of all time? and thats not fast?

hahahahaha wow

13 athletes have run sub 3:34, not 26 - that hard to count?

not that hard wrote:

ric flair woo wrote:

yeah, actually it does. the event has been competed worldwide for over 100 years now. to be in the top 26 of all time? and thats not fast?

hahahahaha wow

13 athletes have run sub 3:34, not 26 - that hard to count?

He cannot.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Rojo do you believe Ayana is clean? So she could run the 2nd half of a 10,000m at 14:24 (???) pace, yet days later a 5,000m at that pace was way too quick. Remember Ayana and Tefera are from the same country. If you answered No to my question, then chances are that there is some sort of short-life PED that isn't detectable but gives a momentary massive boost.

I'll say this. I'd say her bombing in the 5000 certainly makes it seem more likely that she is clean than if she had come back and won both. Yet you seem to be implying her not winning gold in the 5000 somehow means she's a doper?

That makes no sense.

People who don't get drugs get tired and can't replicate back to back amazing performances.

If she was on some drug that mader her run out of her mind, why wouldn't it also work for the 5000? I'm very confused as to why you think her bombing the 5000 means she's more likely to be on drugs than if she had won it. I'd say just the opposite.