You Can Run But You Can't Hide Malmo - More And More People Know The Truth About You

putting through registration killed dyestat's traffic, judging by its old message board.

malmo wrote:

First of all I'd have to out several friends and acquaintances, which I've not been willing to do as of yet...

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And now, we get to the heart of things. If you were to out people from the past, would it really serve any purpose other than to feed the sharks who revel in blood of others?

I certainly take no joy in folks celebrating a brief episode in Malmo's past. Nothing is gained by continually dragging his name through that tar pit.

Malmo, isn't your challenge to find ways to use your status and energy to positively affect the CURRENT state of our sport.

Isn't that the same challenge for all us?

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

putting through registration killed dyestat's traffic, judging by its old message board.

Dyestat always had registration. The board was killed when it went to espn, required new registration, under a new format, etc.

malmo wrote:

Registar wrote:

Malmo why would Alberto admit to you if he knew who A Duck was?

As a gesture of good faith he actually read the thread and confronted Steve Bence and confirmed that Bence is NOT A Duck.

A Duck is dome sort of crazy UO grad who is unknown. I doubt that mystery will ever be cracked.

I'm finding it hard to believe that Salazar bothered to confront Bence about something like this, but if Salazar really bothered to do that, I'm hoping he also bothered to think for, like, 30 seconds about whether he recalled a good but not great mid-d teammate who subsequently went into TV sports production and who might now have a screw loose.

A reluctance to out friends is exactly what allows the rot to spread. I knew people who ran for AW who told me that Nike made drugs available to them, and, that they knew that some in the AW group had used them. At the time it seemed like hearsay, or, perhaps, given who was telling me this and their state of sobriety while doing so, outright lies. But, now, in hindsight I wish I had pursued it harder. I was not an insider, but, I think that, in the world of drug use, there is no universal mathematikoi. Everybody knows one or two people who are using, but it's not like there are club meetings or something. You know that someone is using because you're close with that person. They're friends with these people. Loyalty, too often, trumps justice. That's why justice doesn't win as often as it should. And I'm somebody that believes that it should win all the time. I guess I'm some kind of extremist....

Anyone who really loves the sport hates doping, hates cheaters and should hate themselves for not seizing the opportunity to do something about it when it presents itself. I do to some extent.

But I'm glad Malmo loves the sport enough to do the right thing. I'm looking forward to him doing so. It might go a long way to erasing some bad karma.

Bob Sevene should write a book. Or is he still on the payroll?

down east wrote:

dkny64 wrote:

+ 1. You want to know what scares the sh1t out of me? Joan Benoit ran for AW in the early 80s, and so help me, if...

Well, words just fail me.

No one in his right mind thinks that Joan Benoit would have gone that route. And keep in mind that her coach was Bob Sevene.

down east - you seem to know something about AW and its coaches + malmo doesn't seem inclined to spell out what he knows / conjectures, so you can help out the ignorant among us with some form of AW 101? Or if there's a good online source, point us in the right direction? Thanks.

As far as the Joan Benoit thing goes, she ran for AW but she lived in Maine. So if there were any nefarious activity going on, it's not unreasonable to think she wasn't a part of it. Oh, and don't think I have any personal knowledge of this stuff. I just read old threads on here.

Link wrote:

A reluctance to out friends is exactly what allows the rot to spread.

Spoken words from a man with no skin in the game. Outing friends and acquaintances has consequences beyond those people - wives (and husbands) and children who may be participating in the sport.

Like I said I will be codifying all of what I know into one coherent document. What I do with it is up to me to decide. If you have infoirmation then email it to me.

If you don't want to hurt people because they have families, then why compile a document that won't ever be seen?

We all have skin in the game, Malmo...

Link wrote:

We all have skin in the game, Malmo...

No you don't. If you did have skin in the game you would email the details about what you said below and sign your name to it. I'm pretty good at vetting things, perhaps I might be able to corroborate the facts for you?

Link wrote:

I knew people who ran for AW who told me that Nike made drugs available to them, and, that they knew that some in the AW group had used them. At the time it seemed like hearsay, or, perhaps, given who was telling me this and their state of sobriety while doing so, outright lies. But, now, in hindsight I wish I had pursued it harder.

Within the last 2 months i was informed that two more AW athletes whom I'd never have suspected, admitted to a mutual friend that they were on drugs in the 80s. One of them was one of Sev's guys, the other I don't know who coached him. The importance of one being Sev's guy is that Sev is the person (with Jeff Johnson's help) who uncovered Dick Brown's slush fund from which "injection, injection, injection" came from. (injection, injection, injection is from "Swoosh, the unauthorized story of Nike

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Send me the email and I'll add your info to the document. Thanks.

malmo,

Off-topic, but do you still run/race?

beta tester wrote:

malmo,

Off-topic, but do you still run/race?

No. I've had five surgeries for meniscus tears. My knees are like swiss cheese.

wait a minute wrote:

If you don't want to hurt people because they have families, then why compile a document that won't ever be seen?

Maybe it might not be seen by you, but it will be seen by others. Who see's it will be of my choosing. But it will exist. Actually most of it already exists already....

Like the song says, "...but time makes you bolder,

children get older, I'm getting older too."

dkny64 wrote:

down east - you seem to know something about AW and its coaches + malmo doesn't seem inclined to spell out what he knows / conjectures, so you can help out the ignorant among us with some form of AW 101? Or if there's a good online source, point us in the right direction? Thanks.

You seem earnest in your desire to understand the basics. Send me an email to [firstnamelastname]@verizon.net

Ho Hum wrote:

LM wrote:

To be honest, it would be nice if threads like these were locked in such a way only certain people could talk. An invite only thread if you will.

There could still be a regular thread to discuss the discussion, but there is a lot of stupid stuff to wade through in this.

Will be interesting to see what, if any, information comes of this.

What if mods could mark certain threads so that only registered posters could post? So threads like this one, or the official race threads, wouldn't get filled up with so much garbage. I don't think that would be too hard to implement.

Yep, that would work. Especially if mods were able to ban registered users who posted like crap.

As far as the elites an anonymity, no reason legit "verified" users couldn't have multiple accounts.

malmo wrote:

You seem earnest in your desire to understand the basics. Send me an email to [firstnamelastname]@verizon.net

And for us who doesnt seem earnest enough, read this thread I found, its malmo talking about AW:

Malmo, Two questions for you. What made you come forward after all these years? Do you think drugs are still in play in Oregon?