Seems like the argument for Boise is they beat Mira Costa on September 26th.
1) From a quick glance, Mira Costa may not have run their full roster and they definitely weren't anywhere close to their peak.
2) I doubt the committee put much stock into a meet that occurred on September 26th.
3) Comparing speed ratings between NXR Northwest and the California state meet make it look pretty obvious how four California teams got picked.
So one the boys side, I guess San Clemente and Mira Costa were selected because both of these teams beat autoqualifier Redondo Union multiple times
These teams are lucky they get to face each other a lot because Mira Costa is really close to Redondo Union
CA absolutley deserved two at-large bids, both of those teams ran under 77 at Woodward which is an incredible time. Woodbridge should be there too. Nike needs to add more at large slots and remove NY's
I'm sick of those complaining about california. do these idiots realize that you have this talent in one league- san clemente, dana hills, woodbridge, beckman, el toro, tesoro, aliso niguel, mission viejo. this is one league. this is better than half of the states. again, this is one freaking league. you make it out of league prelims, league finals, cif sectional prelims, cif sectional finals, cif state.
ONE LEAGUE.
Wait so this might be a stupid question but I just saw the at-large list on runner space and saw that Coronado wasn't on the list. Coronado is going to NXN, right??
ummm wrote:
Wait so this might be a stupid question but I just saw the at-large list on runner space and saw that Coronado wasn't on the list. Coronado is going to NXN, right??
I think “Garden of the Gods XC” is the name they’re using
sicofthecomplaining wrote:
I'm sick of those complaining about california. do these idiots realize that you have this talent in one league- san clemente, dana hills, woodbridge, beckman, el toro, tesoro, aliso niguel, mission viejo. this is one league. this is better than half of the states. again, this is one freaking league. you make it out of league prelims, league finals, cif sectional prelims, cif sectional finals, cif state.
ONE LEAGUE.
Bay League has Redondo and Mira Costa. also absurd
I guess this is the year for California to prove that they deserve to get these at large bids. The California teams didn't do so hot at NXN last year. If Mira Costa and San Clemente bomb at nationals then California absolutely should not get an at large next year.
Or is garden of the gods xc Coronado? Sorry for cluttering the thread
Just compared the speed ratings from the California state meet merge and last year's NXN. You people might be surprised to see that California is the deeper meet. Compare their respective speed ratings by places like 25th, 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. It's quite interesting.
Hopefully it doesn’t rain at NXN like it did the last 2 years.
Looks like there will be 20% chance of light rain at NXN
Speed ratings aren't always correct and it so hard to compare one course to another, weather, and all the other variables.
The boys side is a lot tighter. I could understand an argument from Belen and Mead. Belen is top heavy with Mead, San Clemente, and Mira Costa being more balanced.
From their most recent result I would go 1) Belen, 2) San Clemente, 3) Mira Costa, 4) Mead.
I think Belen's top two would hold up better in a national meet.
The at-large Criteria has been mentioned on these boards before, if we are being honest did the committee use their own criteria this year?
1) 3rd place team at an NXR that beat an NXR region champ from a different region at some point from end of September through November
2) Teams that are running at or near their best at their State meet and NXR races
The recency bias of number 2 most certainly helps California get at large bids each year.
Girls at-large wrote:
The at-large Criteria has been mentioned on these boards before, if we are being honest did the committee use their own criteria this year?
1) 3rd place team at an NXR that beat an NXR region champ from a different region at some point from end of September through November
2) Teams that are running at or near their best at their State meet and NXR races
The recency bias of number 2 most certainly helps California get at large bids each year.
This is what really should be dissected: compare the #3 teams from all the regions besides the SW to the #4 CA teams. Who had better seasons, AKA fated better head to head against teams who made it in?
At large criteria from a poster on post 177
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=13167924&page=8
As a California coach i'm suprised by these California at-large picks. None of them, aside from maybe Redondo, really stuck out to me. The last time I was excited about the teams we were sending to NXN was 2023, and we ended up getting stomped that year.
What did stick out to me this year were the individuals. I felt like we had some very very impressive individuals this year and I continue to be extremely frustrated that they got rid of individual at-larges.
Those teams better represent or we’ll here 10 times more b***hing.
Sure, you can race great for the first part of the season but what really matters is towards the end. If a coach were to have their athletes peak at the start of the season for the purpose of beating better ranked teams, they would benefit greatly from your idea. Mead WA (NW#3) was doing great towards the end of the season, going from being unranked to 15th in the nation by Dyestat. Every race they did was a full 5K (except for one preseason meet). They even raced league meets it looks like, compared to schools who only race invitationals. There was one week where they race their league meet, then three days later race two nationally ranked teams, not doing too bad against them (Coeur d'Alene ID and Lincoln OR). They only attended three invitationals that had true competition. Hot take: I would say Mead would be stronger (and be more deserving of an at-large bid) than California schools that only race invitationals week after week, and who don't even run three mile races throughout the season.