I choose the metrics that are relevant. It appears you can't follow that.
Yes, and ignores the metrics when they don't suit your agenda. Your argument for why Jakob isn't the current best 1500 runner is because he's a time trialist and doesn't have enough global gold medals, but you're arguing that Cheptegei is better in the 5000 with a single global gold medal despite him dropping out of the Olympics because he doesn't feel like competing in it. Does that not mean Cheptegei is a time trialist who can't win the big races when it matters?
Those aren't my arguments but your misrepresentations of them. You are too boring to discuss this with further. And none of it makes Ingebrigtsen faster than what he has achieved and able to win the finals he has lost.
Yes, it is unrealistic. It is a bare possibility, at best.
A "bare" possibility!
All those dozens of runners who had to improve much more than Ingebrigtsen to set a WR didn't have had his achievements: by far fastest over the two closest distances, beating all the best regularly at the big champs good endurance for a 1500m/3000m guy.
IIts obviously not unreslistic.
He has 13 seconds to make up to beat the wr. He has made no progress on that in 3 years. Wake me when he beats it.
All those dozens of runners who had to improve much more than Ingebrigtsen to set a WR didn't have had his achievements: by far fastest over the two closest distances, beating all the best regularly at the big champs good endurance for a 1500m/3000m guy.
IIts obviously not unreslistic.
He has 13 seconds to make up to beat the wr. He has made no progress on that in 3 years. Wake me when he beats it.
Yobes Ondieki has made no progress in 10 years. Then finally improved from 28:25.44 to 26:58 38 while becoming the first under 27 minutes.
Ingebrigtsen in fact got slower every season in the last years.
As usual, you change your words. You said "Africans". Now you say "the best Africans". You should work on your emotional intelligence and learn to admit when you are wrong.
Africans who have been naturalised in European countries are no longer Africans but citizens of a other country. You need to work on your intelligence.
You are wrong. You need to work on your intelligence.
All those dozens of runners who had to improve much more than Ingebrigtsen to set a WR didn't have had his achievements: by far fastest over the two closest distances, beating all the best regularly at the big champs good endurance for a 1500m/3000m guy.
IIts obviously not unreslistic.
He has 13 seconds to make up to beat the wr. He has made no progress on that in 3 years. Wake me when he beats it.
Man, if only you would go to sleep until he does it...
You ignore all the informations others have given you. You just ignore them, or you change them. Absolutely no discussion possible with you.
It isn't my "argument". My view is quite simply that I see it as unlikely that Ingebrigtsen will take the 5k record. It is an opinion, speculation about the future - just like the estimation of those who think he will. I cannot be wrong until he breaks 12:35 - and nor can anyone who believes he will take it be right until he does that.
Africans who have been naturalised in European countries are no longer Africans but citizens of a other country. You need to work on your intelligence.
You are wrong. You need to work on your intelligence.
He has 13 seconds to make up to beat the wr. He has made no progress on that in 3 years. Wake me when he beats it.
Yobes Ondieki has made no progress in 10 years. Then finally improved from 28:25.44 to 26:58 38 while becoming the first under 27 minutes.
Ingebrigtsen in fact got slower every season in the last years.
As far as I am aware Ingebrigtsen and Ondieki are two different athletes. (I would also estimate that Ondieki's spectacular improvement after 10 years of no progress wasn't naturally achieved).
Yes, and ignores the metrics when they don't suit your agenda. Your argument for why Jakob isn't the current best 1500 runner is because he's a time trialist and doesn't have enough global gold medals, but you're arguing that Cheptegei is better in the 5000 with a single global gold medal despite him dropping out of the Olympics because he doesn't feel like competing in it. Does that not mean Cheptegei is a time trialist who can't win the big races when it matters?
Those aren't my arguments but your misrepresentations of them. You are too boring to discuss this with further. And none of it makes Ingebrigtsen faster than what he has achieved and able to win the finals he has lost.
Nope, that's exactly what your argument is. You're saying Jakob being the fastest in the 1500 is irrelevant because he's lost to Kerr and Hocker in the last two global finals, but Cheptegei who finished 9th in Eugene and didn't bother to show up at Paris is the best because he's the fastest and "doesn't lose when it matters".
Yobes Ondieki has made no progress in 10 years. Then finally improved from 28:25.44 to 26:58 38 while becoming the first under 27 minutes.
Ingebrigtsen in fact got slower every season in the last years.
As far as I am aware Ingebrigtsen and Ondieki are two different athletes. (I would also estimate that Ondieki's spectacular improvement after 10 years of no progress wasn't naturally achieved).
So are Ingebrigtsen and Snell. Ingebrigtsen and Farah. Ingebrigtsen and Cheptegei. Ingebrigtsen and El Guerrouj. Ingebrigtsen and Kejelcha. Why is it ok for you to compare the performances of Ingebrigtsen with those of other athletes and yet you dismiss comparisons from other posters?
No, not at all, I asked you if that might be more sensible than just looking at their PR, but it seems you ignored everything about that to try to score a cheap point rather than to have a proper discussion.
My main point is that Jakob isn't as good a distance runner as many argue here. We aren't going to agree on that, so there isn't much to discuss.
I dont know what we disagree or agree on. "As many argue here" - well I'm not interested in arguing for or against other people, I can only represent myself I think, so yeah there is not much there to discuss. His medals and times speaks for themselves imo.
No, I don't think the fixation upon trying to predict a world record (or a lack of a world record) is as interesting, to be honest. As I said, I think his results indicates that he is pretty strong in the distance. What his PR will be when all is said and done will depend on his potential, but also how much he focuses on the 5k, how lucky he is with his meets, his pacers, his competition, his tactics. Too many factors to accurately predict. But I agree if you only look at the time in itself there is a long list of people that are "closer" to the world record.
What I do think is that its not so likely that any runner have the same PR in the 5k over 4 years, while every distances below gets better and while they hold a high (regional) level in xc and distances above. So I absolutely think he could lower his PR substantially by going to a fast, rabbited race and not just championships. If his ceiling is lowering his PR by 2 seconds then it is at the level of Kipchoge, if its by 5 its at the level of Barega, 8 seconds its at the level of Kiplimo, etc, which is not that bad in that case.
However I think the world is more nuanced than either world record or not. He is already at top 20 PR's all time, having a medal count that puts him in front of a lot of those ahead of him there. Chances are that he can win more medals and/or lower his PR (or not), time will tell, its best to summarize careers when they are done.
The discussion isn't about whether he is "pretty strong" over the distance - that point isn't in contention - but whether he can be the very best. His times show so far he isn't. He may never be.
Agree on that. He is not the best 5000m ever by his results now, and he may never be.
You ignore all the informations others have given you. You just ignore them, or you change them. Absolutely no discussion possible with you.
It isn't my "argument". My view is quite simply that I see it as unlikely that Ingebrigtsen will take the 5k record. It is an opinion, speculation about the future - just like the estimation of those who think he will. I cannot be wrong until he breaks 12:35 - and nor can anyone who believes he will take it be right until he does that.
It IS your argument. You have mentioned it dozens of times.
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