I have heard that this has changed. That use to be the case where national and conference order had to align, but this was voted on by the coaches to change at their national convention last year, so they should be able to vote outside of conference order now.
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Is IWU good enough to be fourth? Is Shawnee good enough to be ranked at all? Those are my questions
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Too many unknowns to argue much. IWU too high? Curious to see how differently they race with their new coach. Huntington too high on both sides? Crossroads will be fun as always!
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Both questions are legitimate. I do think IWU can hold onto a top 5 spot all year, all would just seem to be based on their new coach.
Shawnee State could be a lower end top 25 team, but the loss of Aiden Kammler stings. I don’t necessarily know who they brought in, but if the triplets are running well and they get a good day out of All-American Shawn Little this team can still compete.
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It was such a choke job. They've got to be motivated and won't let it happen again. Now, it might just be what they need. Their resources are as good as those of the top financial universities in the NAIA. There's no excuse not to be fighting for the top 1-5 every year. Both Men's and Women's teams. See what the new coach can do because that campus is a major selling point on top of offering scholarships galore
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The financially well-off universities like Southeastern, Cumberlands, Indiana attack Olivet Nazarene, Indiana W, Milligan, Marian, and I'm sure I've missed a few others. It comes down to whether you can recruit. Facilities sell, a coach's charisma and vision.
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Honestly, that’s why I think IWU will be a force soon. I don’t know anything about the new coach didn’t seem like Foss was someone that people would gravitate towards. I know that’s harsh and I don’t even know the man, but the institution has everything.
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COI ladies got pretty screwed in these rankings
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KWC wrote:
Honestly, that’s why I think IWU will be a force soon. I don’t know anything about the new coach didn’t seem like Foss was someone that people would gravitate towards. I know that’s harsh and I don’t even know the man, but the institution has everything.
IWU already recruits some of the best talent in the NAIA and are already a force. They’re a consistent top 10 team. Look at the high school times of the guys they had on roster last year and you’ll realize that they don’t have a problem bringing in great talent and probably underperform given what they’ve brought in in the last couple years. Last year they had 8 guys with a realistic shot of all-American and missed podium. I think their issue has been getting their guys to peak at the right time and perform when it matters, not recruiting.
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Sorry top 10 isn't a force to me. The top 5 is that category in my book those are the teams that are competing for the national title. 1-5 contenders,( often top 3) 6-10 great programs but not the same. I understand what you're saying though just think they've underachieved with resources and we will see them be a stronger program under new leadership. Cumberlands made a change and look what happened. Resources are similar so it's up to the staff. Be fun to watch and see
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KWC wrote:
The financially well-off universities like Southeastern, Cumberlands, Indiana attack Olivet Nazarene, Indiana W, Milligan, Marian, and I'm sure I've missed a few others. It comes down to whether you can recruit. Facilities sell, a coach's charisma and vision.
How do the schools listed compare on facilities? Which ones have an indoor/Outdoor track? A few programs are distance have due to not having a track at all indoor or outdoor. Marian just pulls a ton a kids and gets a hand full of decent kids due to numbers. The average kid get 4k. IWU had a nice indoor/outdoor track.
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I’m being simple. Those are all nice campuses. They are not dumps. Yes IWU is on a another level
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Cumberlands has a lot better funding than IWU (and overall resources)
IWU has a nice campus but that’s really it
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Runnercoachn wrote:
Cumberlands has a lot better funding than IWU (and overall resources)
IWU has a nice campus but that’s really it
Do they both have indoor/Outdoor tracks? That definitely has a lot of impact with recruiting. Marian is a dump in a terrible part of Indy. Milligan doesn't have any facilities compared to the other schools. They have a general weight room/gym that they share with every kid in school.
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I do not know the funding facts. See the endowment numbers listed. IWU is doing well, and Cumberlands, with tuition reduction over the last few years, decided to invest in athletics. Both have it better than me and almost everyone else. Lol
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I did the level two USA track and field at Marian 8 or 9 years ago and thought it was a lovely campus. Outside of it, it was a little rough, but it was seen as worse. Even if they are behind, it shows what coaches can do if they attack recruiting because they are a well-rounded program. I would expect IWU to have been doing this if they have it that much betteknow they aren't awful but should be better Right?
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Shawnee will not be good
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KWC wrote:
I did the level two USA track and field at Marian 8 or 9 years ago and thought it was a lovely campus. Outside of it, it was a little rough, but it was seen as worse. Even if they are behind, it shows what coaches can do if they attack recruiting because they are a well-rounded program. I would expect IWU to have been doing this if they have it that much betteknow they aren't awful but should be better Right?
IWU has a really nice outdoor and are redoing the indoor surface.
Cumberlands outdoor is nice obviously tht big difference for them is budget money/scholarship ability
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Agreed! Its look like its been that way for awhile and they found right coaching staff. Google them and you'll see they raised 200 million for scholarships starting next year. That's crazy to me and I'm envious. Lol 😆
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