I promised myself to stay out of this but it’s just to tempting to interfere… And I know some of you will think it’s narcissistic of me to pretend I can do some schooling here, but the theme is too important to let it be. So feel free to slaughter me afterwards…
”Why do you feel so inferior? Parents didn’t love you? What went wrong?” -man oh man -I get it that you are pixxed (and in your own eyes rightfully), but trying to be a psychologist when we are pixxed got some major side effects:
1. Your wording could extremely easily been turned against you. Armstronglivs didn’t do that fully, but he could have done. And it would be extremely easy for someone like me to analyse you from your choice of words here, and I could easily make it look like the truth (even if I didn’t believe it myself)…
2. You are right that bad parenting can explain inferior complexe, but it can also explain the opposite, and all sorts of other things… But your wording misses out an extremely important nuance: It’s more common than uncommon that people feel their parents didn’t love them enough. -Even if one had good parents… Our need for love is limitless..!
3. I myself had very bad parents:-but I know some of the things this has done to me, and it’s not easy to put all this into a diagnosis or scheme….It’s just part of being human in a very demanding world - We do all pending between feelings of being inferior and feeling over confident, and everything in between -the situation and our calm decide how we act or speak…
4. You can pose that Armstronglivs is the one who is the problem -who started the deprivation of the debate and so on, but you cannot know this for sure. He can have had his experiences, and met things that pixxes him off, even things that you said. -We are all so self righteous that it’s hard for us to imagine anyone can be pixxed on us..!
5. You are not even fair against Armstronglivs -he isn’t harsh all the time. For instance has he said something positive about some of my perspective in a post, and he has also been the bigger man a couple of times he didn’t needed to… That doesn’t mean that you can’t criticise him fiercely (I do that too..).
6. Armstronglivs, Coevett and Salvitore Stichmo are among poster I have called out as “illogical”. But that doesn’t mean they are stupid. -In my work life (before retirement) part of my job was to assess grown ups’ mental capabilities and resources -I. can tell you that they all are highly intelligent, knowledgeable and well spoken (then they choose to), and not at all illogical overall (I myself is illogical in some cases, we all are)… And even if Coevett for instance, seems to have a bias against black people, he argues well for him not being a racist..
7. I don’t say that your feelings or your point of views are wrong; not at all… I’m just saying something about the wording , and I’m quite sure I mean this well…😊
You're old and everyone around you has already noticed your oncoming senility. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
You don't realise it but he was writing about people like you. You may come to understand that when you have grown up. But we can't count on that.
No youre just a username on a screen.How can anyone detest someone theyre never gonna meet? they dont know you.sad sad people.I like you,and i dont care what anyone else thinks.
As much as I enjoy the implosion in Russia, there is still a real risk to nearby countries. Revolutions disrupt pay checks. No pay means workers don't show up. Nuclear power plants have to be continuously controlled and maintained. We don't need more Chernobyls.
No youre just a username on a screen.How can anyone detest someone theyre never gonna meet? they dont know you.sad sad people.I like you,and i dont care what anyone else thinks.
Well, it is interesting how hot under the collar people can be at a user name on a screen of those they don't know and never will. I'm glad you have nonetheless been entertained. It's better than getting riled up.
So Jakob is the best because he is the best doper?
What is your take on Jake Wightman (if you consider him a doper at all)?
It isn't quite as simple as you say. Jakob is the best because he is enormously talented - but he couldn't also be the best unless he doped. I think he probably started pretty young. There's nothing to stop the highly ambitious from doing that - and he is certainly enormously ambitious. He wants to be not only the best in his era but the best of all time.
Jake Wightman is a very talented athlete also. He has gifts that Jakob doesn't have, which includes superior basic speed. He also shows a good tactical sense at championship level and courage. I have never seen anything in his progressions or performances that of themselves raise a red flag but the issue that confronts all runners today is how can you succeed at championship level without doping. So on that basis alone he also probably dopes, although in his case I have no other basis for thinking that. There isn't anything "superhuman" about him, that defies belief. However, to beat dopers or likely dopers today you probably also have to be one. So no one at the top gets a pass.
You see no red flags regarding Jake but obviously you see some regarding Jakob.
Can you elaborate on that.
I will give you some facts to help with your arguments:
Jake improved with 18 sec from 17 to 22.
Jakob improved with about 3.5 sec.
Jake improved with almost 4 sec from the 2022 mile in DL Oslo (3:50.30 mile equals to 3:33.10 in the 1500m) to the final in Eugene around ONE MONTH LATER.
Jakob´s mile time in Oslo more or less equaled his 1500m time in Eugene.
Which red flags do you see? If any?
AND WHAT IS YOUR REASON TO THINK JAKOB STARTED TO DOPE AT A YOUNG AGE?
I promised myself to stay out of this but it’s just to tempting to interfere… And I know some of you will think it’s narcissistic of me to pretend I can do some schooling here, but the theme is too important to let it be. So feel free to slaughter me afterwards…
”Why do you feel so inferior? Parents didn’t love you? What went wrong?” -man oh man -I get it that you are pixxed (and in your own eyes rightfully), but trying to be a psychologist when we are pixxed got some major side effects:
1. Your wording could extremely easily been turned against you. Armstronglivs didn’t do that fully, but he could have done. And it would be extremely easy for someone like me to analyse you from your choice of words here, and I could easily make it look like the truth (even if I didn’t believe it myself)…
2. You are right that bad parenting can explain inferior complexe, but it can also explain the opposite, and all sorts of other things… But your wording misses out an extremely important nuance: It’s more common than uncommon that people feel their parents didn’t love them enough. -Even if one had good parents… Our need for love is limitless..!
3. I myself had very bad parents:-but I know some of the things this has done to me, and it’s not easy to put all this into a diagnosis or scheme….It’s just part of being human in a very demanding world - We do all pending between feelings of being inferior and feeling over confident, and everything in between -the situation and our calm decide how we act or speak…
4. You can pose that Armstronglivs is the one who is the problem -who started the deprivation of the debate and so on, but you cannot know this for sure. He can have had his experiences, and met things that pixxes him off, even things that you said. -We are all so self righteous that it’s hard for us to imagine anyone can be pixxed on us..!
5. You are not even fair against Armstronglivs -he isn’t harsh all the time. For instance has he said something positive about some of my perspective in a post, and he has also been the bigger man a couple of times he didn’t needed to… That doesn’t mean that you can’t criticise him fiercely (I do that too..).
6. Armstronglivs, Coevett and Salvitore Stichmo are among poster I have called out as “illogical”. But that doesn’t mean they are stupid. -In my work life (before retirement) part of my job was to assess grown ups’ mental capabilities and resources -I. can tell you that they all are highly intelligent, knowledgeable and well spoken (then they choose to), and not at all illogical overall (I myself is illogical in some cases, we all are)… And even if Coevett for instance, seems to have a bias against black people, he argues well for him not being a racist..
7. I don’t say that your feelings or your point of views are wrong; not at all… I’m just saying something about the wording , and I’m quite sure I mean this well…😊
You're old and everyone around you has already noticed your oncoming senility. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Even though I can't see the vast majority of posts on this thread now because they are by a select group of people that have sadly hijacked the thread as they do many others and ruin them, I wonder if we could actually continue to productive and interesting conversation around J.I and if he is going to challenge the 1500m WR (if he achieves this or not isn't the debate for the 1000th time), how he might do so.
It isn't quite as simple as you say. Jakob is the best because he is enormously talented - but he couldn't also be the best unless he doped. I think he probably started pretty young. There's nothing to stop the highly ambitious from doing that - and he is certainly enormously ambitious. He wants to be not only the best in his era but the best of all time.
Jake Wightman is a very talented athlete also. He has gifts that Jakob doesn't have, which includes superior basic speed. He also shows a good tactical sense at championship level and courage. I have never seen anything in his progressions or performances that of themselves raise a red flag but the issue that confronts all runners today is how can you succeed at championship level without doping. So on that basis alone he also probably dopes, although in his case I have no other basis for thinking that. There isn't anything "superhuman" about him, that defies belief. However, to beat dopers or likely dopers today you probably also have to be one. So no one at the top gets a pass.
You see no red flags regarding Jake but obviously you see some regarding Jakob.
Can you elaborate on that.
I will give you some facts to help with your arguments:
Jake improved with 18 sec from 17 to 22.
Jakob improved with about 3.5 sec.
Jake improved with almost 4 sec from the 2022 mile in DL Oslo (3:50.30 mile equals to 3:33.10 in the 1500m) to the final in Eugene around ONE MONTH LATER.
Jakob´s mile time in Oslo more or less equaled his 1500m time in Eugene.
Which red flags do you see? If any?
AND WHAT IS YOUR REASON TO THINK JAKOB STARTED TO DOPE AT A YOUNG AGE?
WHICH AGE DO YOU THINK HE STARTED?
For an athlete who didn't train like a professional at a young age, a big improvement from age 17 to 22 isn't surprising. Jake hasn't made the kind of jump that a runner like Katir has in his mid 20's.
Jakob, on the other hand, was performing at a very high level from an early age, so his progression wouldn't necessarily be the same.
However it is the level of their performances now where I see the differences between them. 3.29x for the 1500 for an athlete who has fairly gradually improved to attain that - Jake hasnt gone from 3.36 or 3.38 in a year to do that - is not outlandish. Nor does that time suggest freakish endurance, because he is a fast 1500m athlete, capable of a very respectable 800m.
As I have said, that doesn't rule out doping, it simply doesn't make a strong case of itself.
But in Jakob - where I see a runner with unbelievable endurance, with his 2-mile record matching the best of Komen, who I also believe was doped - it is easy to surmise doping has played a part in his career. The precocity of his earlier performances also leads me to believe that this began some time in his teens.
As I am saying, both could be doped but I have little doubt that Jakob dopes and has done so for some time. But if course, if he is doping he is one of many in the sport. I would put Kipyegon, Hassan, Dibaba, Ayana and Gidey in the same category. The list could go on. I don't find anything they do is believable.
Even though I can't see the vast majority of posts on this thread now because they are by a select group of people that have sadly hijacked the thread as they do many others and ruin them, I wonder if we could actually continue to productive and interesting conversation around J.I and if he is going to challenge the 1500m WR (if he achieves this or not isn't the debate for the 1000th time), how he might do so.
Any other opinions?
The chances are slim when you like to block them. You're best to have a private conversation with those that agree with you.
I dont think you can privatly chat on here.or message.
True. But he wants discussion here with only views that he approves of - which is like a private discourse. Won't work.
Couldn’t agree more..of course…but what if he made a general thread called: “Only for Salvitore Stitchmo approved posters with out most kind of brilliant intellects, knowledge and language skills”…?
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I promised myself to stay out of this but it’s just to tempting to interfere… And I know some of you will think it’s narcissistic of me to pretend I can do some schooling here, but the theme is too important to let it be. So feel free to slaughter me afterwards…
”Why do you feel so inferior? Parents didn’t love you? What went wrong?” -man oh man -I get it that you are pixxed (and in your own eyes rightfully), but trying to be a psychologist when we are pixxed got some major side effects:
1. Your wording could extremely easily been turned against you. Armstronglivs didn’t do that fully, but he could have done. And it would be extremely easy for someone like me to analyse you from your choice of words here, and I could easily make it look like the truth (even if I didn’t believe it myself)…
2. You are right that bad parenting can explain inferior complexe, but it can also explain the opposite, and all sorts of other things… But your wording misses out an extremely important nuance: It’s more common than uncommon that people feel their parents didn’t love them enough. -Even if one had good parents… Our need for love is limitless..!
3. I myself had very bad parents:-but I know some of the things this has done to me, and it’s not easy to put all this into a diagnosis or scheme….It’s just part of being human in a very demanding world - We do all pending between feelings of being inferior and feeling over confident, and everything in between -the situation and our calm decide how we act or speak…
4. You can pose that Armstronglivs is the one who is the problem -who started the deprivation of the debate and so on, but you cannot know this for sure. He can have had his experiences, and met things that pixxes him off, even things that you said. -We are all so self righteous that it’s hard for us to imagine anyone can be pixxed on us..!
5. You are not even fair against Armstronglivs -he isn’t harsh all the time. For instance has he said something positive about some of my perspective in a post, and he has also been the bigger man a couple of times he didn’t needed to… That doesn’t mean that you can’t criticise him fiercely (I do that too..).
6. Armstronglivs, Coevett and Salvitore Stichmo are among poster I have called out as “illogical”. But that doesn’t mean they are stupid. -In my work life (before retirement) part of my job was to assess grown ups’ mental capabilities and resources -I. can tell you that they all are highly intelligent, knowledgeable and well spoken (then they choose to), and not at all illogical overall (I myself is illogical in some cases, we all are)… And even if Coevett for instance, seems to have a bias against black people, he argues well for him not being a racist..
7. I don’t say that your feelings or your point of views are wrong; not at all… I’m just saying something about the wording , and I’m quite sure I mean this well…😊
You're old and everyone around you has already noticed your oncoming senility. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
I planned a quick response but I couldn’t remember which thread your post was in.. An now I forgot what I planned to say…
I promised myself to stay out of this but it’s just to tempting to interfere… And I know some of you will think it’s narcissistic of me to pretend I can do some schooling here, but the theme is too important to let it be. So feel free to slaughter me afterwards…
”Why do you feel so inferior? Parents didn’t love you? What went wrong?” -man oh man -I get it that you are pixxed (and in your own eyes rightfully), but trying to be a psychologist when we are pixxed got some major side effects:
1. Your wording could extremely easily been turned against you. Armstronglivs didn’t do that fully, but he could have done. And it would be extremely easy for someone like me to analyse you from your choice of words here, and I could easily make it look like the truth (even if I didn’t believe it myself)…
2. You are right that bad parenting can explain inferior complexe, but it can also explain the opposite, and all sorts of other things… But your wording misses out an extremely important nuance: It’s more common than uncommon that people feel their parents didn’t love them enough. -Even if one had good parents… Our need for love is limitless..!
3. I myself had very bad parents:-but I know some of the things this has done to me, and it’s not easy to put all this into a diagnosis or scheme….It’s just part of being human in a very demanding world - We do all pending between feelings of being inferior and feeling over confident, and everything in between -the situation and our calm decide how we act or speak…
4. You can pose that Armstronglivs is the one who is the problem -who started the deprivation of the debate and so on, but you cannot know this for sure. He can have had his experiences, and met things that pixxes him off, even things that you said. -We are all so self righteous that it’s hard for us to imagine anyone can be pixxed on us..!
5. You are not even fair against Armstronglivs -he isn’t harsh all the time. For instance has he said something positive about some of my perspective in a post, and he has also been the bigger man a couple of times he didn’t needed to… That doesn’t mean that you can’t criticise him fiercely (I do that too..).
6. Armstronglivs, Coevett and Salvitore Stichmo are among poster I have called out as “illogical”. But that doesn’t mean they are stupid. -In my work life (before retirement) part of my job was to assess grown ups’ mental capabilities and resources -I. can tell you that they all are highly intelligent, knowledgeable and well spoken (then they choose to), and not at all illogical overall (I myself is illogical in some cases, we all are)… And even if Coevett for instance, seems to have a bias against black people, he argues well for him not being a racist..
7. I don’t say that your feelings or your point of views are wrong; not at all… I’m just saying something about the wording , and I’m quite sure I mean this well…😊
You're old and everyone around you has already noticed your oncoming senility. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
I’m too old and senile to care about people calling me old and senile…. But it must be hard for you seeing all my golden senile posts all over your favourite threads -and that you are being met by my golden senile words as a reaction to your golden ones, instantly (if I only remember)…. Sorry that this -being my first answer- came so late…
I promised myself to stay out of this but it’s just to tempting to interfere… And I know some of you will think it’s narcissistic of me to pretend I can do some schooling here, but the theme is too important to let it be. So feel free to slaughter me afterwards…
”Why do you feel so inferior? Parents didn’t love you? What went wrong?” -man oh man -I get it that you are pixxed (and in your own eyes rightfully), but trying to be a psychologist when we are pixxed got some major side effects:
1. Your wording could extremely easily been turned against you. Armstronglivs didn’t do that fully, but he could have done. And it would be extremely easy for someone like me to analyse you from your choice of words here, and I could easily make it look like the truth (even if I didn’t believe it myself)…
2. You are right that bad parenting can explain inferior complexe, but it can also explain the opposite, and all sorts of other things… But your wording misses out an extremely important nuance: It’s more common than uncommon that people feel their parents didn’t love them enough. -Even if one had good parents… Our need for love is limitless..!
3. I myself had very bad parents:-but I know some of the things this has done to me, and it’s not easy to put all this into a diagnosis or scheme….It’s just part of being human in a very demanding world - We do all pending between feelings of being inferior and feeling over confident, and everything in between -the situation and our calm decide how we act or speak…
4. You can pose that Armstronglivs is the one who is the problem -who started the deprivation of the debate and so on, but you cannot know this for sure. He can have had his experiences, and met things that pixxes him off, even things that you said. -We are all so self righteous that it’s hard for us to imagine anyone can be pixxed on us..!
5. You are not even fair against Armstronglivs -he isn’t harsh all the time. For instance has he said something positive about some of my perspective in a post, and he has also been the bigger man a couple of times he didn’t needed to… That doesn’t mean that you can’t criticise him fiercely (I do that too..).
6. Armstronglivs, Coevett and Salvitore Stichmo are among poster I have called out as “illogical”. But that doesn’t mean they are stupid. -In my work life (before retirement) part of my job was to assess grown ups’ mental capabilities and resources -I. can tell you that they all are highly intelligent, knowledgeable and well spoken (then they choose to), and not at all illogical overall (I myself is illogical in some cases, we all are)… And even if Coevett for instance, seems to have a bias against black people, he argues well for him not being a racist..
7. I don’t say that your feelings or your point of views are wrong; not at all… I’m just saying something about the wording , and I’m quite sure I mean this well…😊
You're old and everyone around you has already noticed your oncoming senility. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
I found a senile looking smiley I don’t remember having seen before -to this first response to your post -sorry my answer coming so late- but words are so hard to remember so I prefer smileys… 🤯
I promised myself to stay out of this but it’s just to tempting to interfere… And I know some of you will think it’s narcissistic of me to pretend I can do some schooling here, but the theme is too important to let it be. So feel free to slaughter me afterwards…
”Why do you feel so inferior? Parents didn’t love you? What went wrong?” -man oh man -I get it that you are pixxed (and in your own eyes rightfully), but trying to be a psychologist when we are pixxed got some major side effects:
1. Your wording could extremely easily been turned against you. Armstronglivs didn’t do that fully, but he could have done. And it would be extremely easy for someone like me to analyse you from your choice of words here, and I could easily make it look like the truth (even if I didn’t believe it myself)…
2. You are right that bad parenting can explain inferior complexe, but it can also explain the opposite, and all sorts of other things… But your wording misses out an extremely important nuance: It’s more common than uncommon that people feel their parents didn’t love them enough. -Even if one had good parents… Our need for love is limitless..!
3. I myself had very bad parents:-but I know some of the things this has done to me, and it’s not easy to put all this into a diagnosis or scheme….It’s just part of being human in a very demanding world - We do all pending between feelings of being inferior and feeling over confident, and everything in between -the situation and our calm decide how we act or speak…
4. You can pose that Armstronglivs is the one who is the problem -who started the deprivation of the debate and so on, but you cannot know this for sure. He can have had his experiences, and met things that pixxes him off, even things that you said. -We are all so self righteous that it’s hard for us to imagine anyone can be pixxed on us..!
5. You are not even fair against Armstronglivs -he isn’t harsh all the time. For instance has he said something positive about some of my perspective in a post, and he has also been the bigger man a couple of times he didn’t needed to… That doesn’t mean that you can’t criticise him fiercely (I do that too..).
6. Armstronglivs, Coevett and Salvitore Stichmo are among poster I have called out as “illogical”. But that doesn’t mean they are stupid. -In my work life (before retirement) part of my job was to assess grown ups’ mental capabilities and resources -I. can tell you that they all are highly intelligent, knowledgeable and well spoken (then they choose to), and not at all illogical overall (I myself is illogical in some cases, we all are)… And even if Coevett for instance, seems to have a bias against black people, he argues well for him not being a racist..
7. I don’t say that your feelings or your point of views are wrong; not at all… I’m just saying something about the wording , and I’m quite sure I mean this well…😊
You're old and everyone around you has already noticed your oncoming senility. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Shlt; I forgot to paste in the smiley! Here it comes:
True. But he wants discussion here with only views that he approves of - which is like a private discourse. Won't work.
Couldn’t agree more..of course…but what if he made a general thread called: “Only for Salvitore Stitchmo approved posters with out most kind of brilliant intellects, knowledge and language skills”…?
Wouldn't his be the only opinion on the thread? No one else measures up.
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