Rhonex Kipruto suspended

Abosulutely brilliant !! I'm fist pumping at this news.

Let's have more high profile drugs busts - they are by far the most entertaining part of the sport these days.

Go AIU - we want some more big names !!

Race organizers will keep on inviting Kenyans and other dopers to their road races to allow the commedy to continue.

But Norwegians and Australians do?

Yes - shall we try a list? I start with Kenyan stars banned in the last five years (actually less than 4.5 years):
WR holders: Kiptum 2019, Kipsang 2020, Kipruto 2023
Majors winners: Chepchirchir 2019, Wanjriu 2019, Cherono 2022, Kipyokei 2022
World champs: Manangoi 2020
Commonwealth champs: Chepkirui 2019
African champs: Kipkemoi 2019, Aprot 2022
Sub 27 runners: Renju 2022
Sub 59 runners: Kitwara 2019, Korio 2022, Kisorio 2022
2:05 runners: Gachaga 2022, Kacheran 2022, Kipserem 2022

That excludes the earlier superstars like Jeptoo, Kiprop and Sumgong etc. etc.

If we're talking about 'does EPO aid performance?' and 'do PEDs in general help athletes?' then I'm pretty sure that your position is held by less than 0.1% of the public, and virtually zero professionals involved in any way with either athletics or sports science. And the 0.1% of the public would be completely ignorant, and probably unable to understand a single sentence you have ever posted here.

If you're referring to my position that doping is rampant in Kenya, and that all Kenyan performances must sadly be treated with suspicion, I would say that is probably a majority view in the public, the running community, elite athletes, and those involved with anti-doping. You may have formed a different impression on LetsRun, which is a particular niche demographic of the 'running community', and which is being inflated by bots and shills, not helped by the fact that the 'anti-doping' Brojos employ mods who have either doped in the past or have stated they would happily dope to cheat others.

You responded to Coevett about Pitsiladis papers including Kenyan time-trials -- maybe you two have forgotten what this thread is about.

This thread is about Rhonex Kipruto. His best 3000m I could find is 7:48.08.

7:48.08 back then. Now with his apparently doped 26:24, he should be able to run 7:24, don't you think?

Sir, Rhonex was nabbed for a Bio Passport anomaly which is not a slam dunk indictment of doping. Let the enquiry run its course.

Rhonex, a baby faced affable 23 year old runner, trained since his youth at St Patrick's High School, Iten, has proclaimed his total innocence in vis a vis doping charges so it would be wise to wait until we know the full story in this affair.

Great harm has been done, versus youthful, always immaculately attired Rhonex, and also (by default) to his coach, Colm O'Donnell, an affable, rotund, 70 year old + priest who has a spotless record in Kenya during the past 40 years. Restraint would be good.

Thank you.

How many of their athletes are being busted?

I responded to you. But you duck and deflect - as usual.

It is a "slam dunk" of doping. Violations of the passport are extreme, for which doping can be the only explanation.

I didn't say you made any claim. I made the claim that many of your doping worshipping allies have fallen for the fake moon landing conspiracies. I think this is no coincidence.

My approach to both topics is to ask what has actually been observed in reality? We can draw many conclusions based on real world observations. Lacking real world observations, we can speculate, but only then do we risk the departures from reality that you speak of.

Whenever I ask you for observations in reality, you avoid the question and say things like "since you aren't very bright" and rebut a point that wasn't made.

Sir, can you provide some sources which show that bio passport violations are a slam dunk? Do you think Rhonex, Brother O'Donnell and Professor Canova, among many others, would state the contrary to what you say? Rhonex has a choir boy reputation in ITEN, and these adulations at least hold some credibility.

Due diligence has not yet been accomplished, from what we can gather. Egregious fast track condemnation appears to have been undertaken. This kid's (R.K.) life has been seriously damaged, as well as that (lesser degree) of the affable Irish priest, (C.O'D), who overseas Rhonex's life, down to painstaking minutae.

Not saying that Rhonex is guiltless but rather that this whole affair has moved at breakneck pace resulting in defacto conviction and guilt in punter's eyes.

Thank you.

You don't make any "real world observations". You construct fantasies from selective facts and false arguments. You're the doping equivalent of a fake moon landing advocate.

It seems important to you to share the beliefs and opinions of the general public.

I basically assume, without substantial demonstrations to the contrary, that the general public is uninformed on many topics, often swayed by myths and rhetoric and prejudices, and I'm not bothered if 0.1% of the public agrees with me, as I stand behind the data and information I have collected, rather than insecurely seeking acceptance of the uninformed masses.

As far as whether professionals agree with me, you are quite mistaken, as many of my "positions" come from these same professionals.

I would say what is more likely is that you don't understand my positions, despite dozens of corrections and clarifications which seem to go ignored, and belong to this group of "the public ... probably unable to understand a single sentence you have ever posted here."

The current standard for the passport analysis is a 1-in1,000 sensitivity, meaning the passport will only result in a false positive in 1 out of 1,000 analyses (over a series of samples, that means the risk of false positive becomes very, very low).

Kipruto is done.

Waffle. From a doping denier.

Huh? I also responded to you. Not sure what you think is certainly changing or why you think I forgot what this thread is about.

Not so sure if 26:24 was doped, but he should be able to run a clean 3000m much faster today -- perhaps even sub-7:30 if he trained for it.

How about replacing "slam dunk" with "solid case" where the chances of the athlete's hematological anomalies being undoped is 1 in 10,000(99.99% specificity).

Every case that results in a ban is going to meet that criteria or they'll be no athlete banned for a hematological anomalies case.

Say for example, the athlete's anomalies are of a lesser specificity (1 in 1000, 1 in 100, etc) - that athlete will be target tested but there will be ban unless the case meets the 99.99% specificity. If the athlete is using an ESA then all they can hope for is that target testing will eventually catch the athlete. However, if the athlete is using transfusions, then they'll probably get away with doping. You really have to be doping to meet the 99.00% specificity.

Here's a case study for you: Kiptum's hearing when he was banned for hematological anomalies (click the "decision" icon to bring up the hearing):

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One of his samples near the time he set the HM WR at Valencia had an extremely high HGB value of 20.3 & subsequent OFF-score of 148.30 - both values exceeding the respective upper 99.99% specificity level.

The expert anti-doping panel unanimously ruled that the high values could not be the result of physiological cause such as altitude training, hypoxia tent usage or any changes in plasma due to training/retraining or illness.

So, not slam dunk but very solid cases when it meets the 99.99% specificity.