I somewhat disagree about Tuohy following Elly’s lead. I know Elly has some marginally better numbers than Tuohy but I believe KT has recently moved past Elly and it would be a mistake if she followed her for the first, 2K. They might just wind up at 5:55 or 6:00, with only 1K to make up too much ground. I believe KT will end up ahead of both Henes and Steelman this Saturday. She’s on a steep progression rate that outstrips them. She should pace herself to get to 2K in no slower than 5:50 and optimistically a bit under. This would set her up for a strong final K. Perhaps looking for Gavin would be the better strategy…then both can perhaps hit the targeted 8:40 and give her a better chance to finish no worse than 3rd. I don’t believe either Henes or Steelman are in 8:40 shape. Henes is stronger in the 5K distance but this is the speedier 3K and KT knows exactly what she needs to do. I believe this is the more natural distance for her.
I know everyone is predicting huge things this season for Tuohy, but until Tuohy proves otherwise Henes has faster PR's indoors and outdoors in the 3k and 5k. I wouldnt say marginally either. I have high hopes for what Tuohy can do outdoors but for now she hasn't come close to 14:52 in the 5k and Henes also ran an 8:42 3k en route in the 2 mile at the Pre classic last year which is right around the time that Tuohy hopes she can run. Maybe she's rusty but seeing as she's entered into the 3k at Indoor Champs next weekend i would assume Henes is in pretty good shape to run low 8:40's as well.
Glad to see a competitive 3K for Henes but the difference between the indoor vs the outdoor WR is 10 seconds, which makes Henes a 8:52 3K indoor athlete, roughly. That’s a marginal difference from Tuohy’s 8:54 from last year.
If what I read here is that Tuohy ran 2K at a 2:50/K clip with a 60 second 400 meters in the time trial…that translates to 8:30 for 3K though that might be a stretch. This looks like a 8:40 CR is possible, if we believe the time trials results. My guess is that this is superior to Henes and Steelman at this time. I wish all the best to both ex-NCState pro’s but I don’t expect them to destroy KT this weekend.
I know everyone is predicting huge things this season for Tuohy, but until Tuohy proves otherwise Henes has faster PR's indoors and outdoors in the 3k and 5k. I wouldnt say marginally either. I have high hopes for what Tuohy can do outdoors but for now she hasn't come close to 14:52 in the 5k and Henes also ran an 8:42 3k en route in the 2 mile at the Pre classic last year which is right around the time that Tuohy hopes she can run. Maybe she's rusty but seeing as she's entered into the 3k at Indoor Champs next weekend i would assume Henes is in pretty good shape to run low 8:40's as well.
Henes PRs are 4:05 and 4:27 when she ran 14:52 two months later
Katelyn's PRs 2 weeks ago are 4:04 and 4:24
katelyn might not get 8:30 and sub 15 this month but shes surely on pace to get those this year!!!!!!!!!! her numbers early this season tells us she will
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I know everyone is predicting huge things this season for Tuohy, but until Tuohy proves otherwise Henes has faster PR's indoors and outdoors in the 3k and 5k. I wouldnt say marginally either. I have high hopes for what Tuohy can do outdoors but for now she hasn't come close to 14:52 in the 5k and Henes also ran an 8:42 3k en route in the 2 mile at the Pre classic last year which is right around the time that Tuohy hopes she can run. Maybe she's rusty but seeing as she's entered into the 3k at Indoor Champs next weekend i would assume Henes is in pretty good shape to run low 8:40's as well.
Glad to see a competitive 3K for Henes but the difference between the indoor vs the outdoor WR is 10 seconds, which makes Henes a 8:52 3K indoor athlete, roughly. That’s a marginal difference from Tuohy’s 8:54 from last year.
If what I read here is that Tuohy ran 2K at a 2:50/K clip with a 60 second 400 meters in the time trial…that translates to 8:30 for 3K though that might be a stretch. This looks like a 8:40 CR is possible, if we believe the time trials results. My guess is that this is superior to Henes and Steelman at this time. I wish all the best to both ex-NCState pro’s but I don’t expect them to destroy KT this weekend.
I absolutely dont expect Henes or anyone other than Monson/Cranny to destroy KT this weekend. I was only responding to the idea that Tuohy has already moved past Henes as was stated in the original post. I'm just saying we are operating off of projections for what we think Tuohy is capable of but only using PR's to decide what Henes is capable of.
Also, calling Henes a 8:52 athlete indoors is a bit bizzare, not only because that's not how records/PR's translate from indoors to outdoors, but also because Henes ran an 8:49 in this exact race last year (which was held even earlier in last years indoor season) before she continued to improve and had her great season.... Unless she's had an injury this winter that we don't know about then i would be shocked if she ran anything above 8:45 and personally think she can threaten 8:40 just as easily as Tuohy can.
I know everyone is predicting huge things this season for Tuohy, but until Tuohy proves otherwise Henes has faster PR's indoors and outdoors in the 3k and 5k. I wouldnt say marginally either. I have high hopes for what Tuohy can do outdoors but for now she hasn't come close to 14:52 in the 5k and Henes also ran an 8:42 3k en route in the 2 mile at the Pre classic last year which is right around the time that Tuohy hopes she can run. Maybe she's rusty but seeing as she's entered into the 3k at Indoor Champs next weekend i would assume Henes is in pretty good shape to run low 8:40's as well.
Henes PRs are 4:05 and 4:27 when she ran 14:52 two months later
Katelyn's PRs 2 weeks ago are 4:04 and 4:24
katelyn might not get 8:30 and sub 15 this month but shes surely on pace to get those this year!!!!!!!!!! her numbers early this season tells us she will
I dont want to be misinterpreted. I am absolutely rooting for Tuohy to drop some crazy times. I'm just saying put some respect on Henes' name (not saying you aren't, but others in the thread)
Henes PRs are 4:05 and 4:27 when she ran 14:52 two months later
Katelyn's PRs 2 weeks ago are 4:04 and 4:24
katelyn might not get 8:30 and sub 15 this month but shes surely on pace to get those this year!!!!!!!!!! her numbers early this season tells us she will
Tuohy's PR is 4:06, where are you getting the 4:04 from?
Glad to see a competitive 3K for Henes but the difference between the indoor vs the outdoor WR is 10 seconds, which makes Henes a 8:52 3K indoor athlete, roughly. That’s a marginal difference from Tuohy’s 8:54 from last year.
If what I read here is that Tuohy ran 2K at a 2:50/K clip with a 60 second 400 meters in the time trial…that translates to 8:30 for 3K though that might be a stretch. This looks like a 8:40 CR is possible, if we believe the time trials results. My guess is that this is superior to Henes and Steelman at this time. I wish all the best to both ex-NCState pro’s but I don’t expect them to destroy KT this weekend.
Henes is at least 8:45 or faster, she has a 14:52 5k. Henes, Galvan, Cranny and Monson have the fastest 5k prs in the field if I am not mistaken
Glad to see a competitive 3K for Henes but the difference between the indoor vs the outdoor WR is 10 seconds, which makes Henes a 8:52 3K indoor athlete, roughly. That’s a marginal difference from Tuohy’s 8:54 from last year.
If what I read here is that Tuohy ran 2K at a 2:50/K clip with a 60 second 400 meters in the time trial…that translates to 8:30 for 3K though that might be a stretch. This looks like a 8:40 CR is possible, if we believe the time trials results. My guess is that this is superior to Henes and Steelman at this time. I wish all the best to both ex-NCState pro’s but I don’t expect them to destroy KT this weekend.
Henes ran 9:18 for 2M, going through 3K in 8:42. That is worth 8:38 at minimum, 4:19 for the mile, and the top indoor venues are every bit as fast as Hayward. Elly is almost a year stronger than those PRs as well.
KT can't touch Elly if Elly is 100%. 8:45 would be very good for Tuohy.
Henes ran 9:18 for 2M, going through 3K in 8:42. That is worth 8:38 at minimum, 4:19 for the mile, and the top indoor venues are every bit as fast as Hayward. Elly is almost a year stronger than those PRs as well.
KT can't touch Elly if Elly is 100%. 8:45 would be very good for Tuohy.
Galvan, Fulton and Morgan were also in that race, so it will be interesting to see that rematch here as well.
Glad to see a competitive 3K for Henes but the difference between the indoor vs the outdoor WR is 10 seconds, which makes Henes a 8:52 3K indoor athlete, roughly. That’s a marginal difference from Tuohy’s 8:54 from last year.
If what I read here is that Tuohy ran 2K at a 2:50/K clip with a 60 second 400 meters in the time trial…that translates to 8:30 for 3K though that might be a stretch. This looks like a 8:40 CR is possible, if we believe the time trials results. My guess is that this is superior to Henes and Steelman at this time. I wish all the best to both ex-NCState pro’s but I don’t expect them to destroy KT this weekend.
Henes ran 9:18 for 2M, going through 3K in 8:42. That is worth 8:38 at minimum, 4:19 for the mile, and the top indoor venues are every bit as fast as Hayward. Elly is almost a year stronger than those PRs as well.
KT can't touch Elly if Elly is 100%. 8:45 would be very good for Tuohy.
Show me one record where indoor time is equal to outdoor. The ‘facts’ show anywhere between 1-4% average penalty for running twice the number of curves as outdoors. I’ll cite the reference but you can Google it yourself.
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