Great question. I am also wondering how losing to Gabelman impacts that choice. Gabelman now has the faster PR at 1600. Does Connor dip out of the 1600 and just lock into the 3200? He hasn't won an outdoor title yet...
I would say quite the opposite. Ackley knows what he is up against now and also knows that the 1600m can be his to win (3rd in 2021, 2nd in 2022). He'll go for the 1600m and won't lose to Gabelman again [prediction].
It will be great to see them race again with their different styles: the front runner vs. the patient kicker.
What will be interesting to see will be if Ackley does go for the double in Columbus in June. He was set up for it last year but in the end DNSed the 3200m.
What will be interesting to see will be if Ackley does go for the double in Columbus in June. He was set up for it last year but in the end DNSed the 3200m.
Not many attempt the double. The first weekend in June in Columbus is often in the 80s & sometimes the lower 90s. It's usually humid as well. Oppressive conditions to attempt the double. Even if he does qualify and can see him DNSing the 3200 again.
The last time I remember a 1600/3200 double with some success was 2018 when Horter won the 1600 in 4:06 something vs a loaded field that had Lucas Bond, Ryan Johnston, Gabe Szalay, Elliott Cook, and others. Arjun Jha just ran the 800 that year. Horter came back to finish 3rd in the 3200 behind Matt Scrape and Vincent Mauri.
So the best guys in the nation that are 8:45 guys are actually just 9:00 guys. Get real man, super spikes are max 5 seconds in a 3k/3200
Where have you been? 20th place in current ranking (early-mid season) is 8:50. That means 8:50 would not even make the fast heat.....about what 9:05 would have gotten you pre-shoes.
This is not meant to knock current guys. But a historical comparison like "it is incredible that 5 guys in the same region could be around 9:00" should be put in perspective.
Track & Field News no longer even keeps a list of sub-4 performances because, "with the shoe advantage, it has become somewhat common place."
Where have you been? 20th place in current ranking (early-mid season) is 8:50. That means 8:50 would not even make the fast heat.....about what 9:05 would have gotten you pre-shoes.
This is not meant to knock current guys. But a historical comparison like "it is incredible that 5 guys in the same region could be around 9:00" should be put in perspective.
Track & Field News no longer even keeps a list of sub-4 performances because, "with the shoe advantage, it has become somewhat common place."
I’m sorry you can count your 9:20 as a 9:05. To say the spikes provide 15 seconds in a 3200 is absurd. You clearly have never worn them. Surely if they are worth that much time (and 7-8 seconds in a mile) we would have seen the national 2mi and 1mi record destroyed by now right? No. The truth is more people are training seriously and intelligently which leads to more depth, but at the top level there is no difference because they don’t provide THAT much advantage. I have worn the spikes many takes and I’ll agree with Nick Willis who said they give you a second per 600m
Where have you been? 20th place in current ranking (early-mid season) is 8:50. That means 8:50 would not even make the fast heat.....about what 9:05 would have gotten you pre-shoes.
This is not meant to knock current guys. But a historical comparison like "it is incredible that 5 guys in the same region could be around 9:00" should be put in perspective.
Track & Field News no longer even keeps a list of sub-4 performances because, "with the shoe advantage, it has become somewhat common place."
I’m sorry you can count your 9:20 as a 9:05. To say the spikes provide 15 seconds in a 3200 is absurd. You clearly have never worn them. Surely if they are worth that much time (and 7-8 seconds in a mile) we would have seen the national 2mi and 1mi record destroyed by now right? No. The truth is more people are training seriously and intelligently which leads to more depth, but at the top level there is no difference because they don’t provide THAT much advantage. I have worn the spikes many takes and I’ll agree with Nick Willis who said they give you a second per 600m
Agreed. Definitely not 15 seconds over an 8 lap race running 66-67 seconds per lap. That is absurd, I agree. I'd say at best a 9:02 guy might run 8:55-8:56. The shoes definitely put those 9:00-9:05 guys under 9 and that's probably why we see so many more today but no way can a 9:00 guy run 8:45 because of shoes.
The legendary Bridget Franek (Mantua Crestwood) is the only athlete, boys or girls, to win the triple crown (16/8/32) at the State meet in Ohio history.
The legendary Bridget Franek (Mantua Crestwood) is the only athlete, boys or girls, to win the triple crown (16/8/32) at the State meet in Ohio history.
. . . in addition to helping her team win the 4x800, contributing to 40 points for her team. A distance runner competing in the max. 4 events and winning all four, legendary indeed!
. . . and, and: she held state records in all three of those individual events.
The Mason Boys Bizzarri Mile Field as posted on their twitter:
Gabelman, Ben - 4:08.49 McGraw, William - 4:12.74 Dyer, Cayden - 4:13.56 Cernansky, Colin - 4:13.84 Johnson, Noah - 4:14.06 Gent, Brian - 4:14.42 Zundell, Drew - 4:14.56
How fast will they go?
Gabelman vs. Cernansky would be a interesting match-up.
You need to include McGraw in this too. He outkicked Gabelman at Districts and Regionals last year, and has a faster PR than Cernansky. I'm not sure he's quite in 4:12 shape right now, but he's earned the right to be part of the "matchup" discussion. Heck, if it weren't for Gabelman's ridiculous performance last week at Wayne, McGraw might be considered the favorite.
Despite Gabelman finishing ahead of Ackley last weekend, I still predict Ackley will win the 1600 at State. Doubling back is very difficult so I haven't really decided on that yet. It'll be fun to watch no doubt.
For sure. If Ackley doesn't run the 16, Gabelman is likely the favorite to win in June. I'm thinking he may even have a shot at breaking Kennedy's 1600 record at W. North before he graduates (4:05).
The circus must be in town with all these clown posts.
Well Supertramp... I bet you're feeling a little stupid after posts like this. 4:08 isn't too far from 4:05, especially when you consider we haven't started the post-season, and Gabelman is only a junior. Care to take this post back along with your Lancaster one?
The circus must be in town with all these clown posts.
Well Supertramp... I bet you're feeling a little stupid after posts like this. 4:08 isn't too far from 4:05, especially when you consider we haven't started the post-season, and Gabelman is only a junior. Care to take this post back along with your Lancaster one?
The elusive 4:05 at the state track meet. Lotsa runners had the ability to run under 4:05 but for some reason nobody can do it at that meet. Nathan Mountain comes to mind - problem was it was 92 degrees during his 1600 at state and he still ran 4:06.