Molly Seidel Seeking TUE for Adderall - Will not run NYC Mini 10k

I’m with you. Was prescribed it once and couldn’t sleep, heart jumped out of my chest and thought I was going to die when running.

I would avoid this stuff like the plague. It is an awful drug.

A white girl flashes a smile and all you basement dwellers on LRC go soft. I could have told you most of her stories are lies meant to grab attention.

Let’s just let people use whatever they want. because the argument for any drug is that it improves you. Well isn’t that the point of any drug? Lot of people would be able to train more consistently and race well if they took a drug that stabilized their mood.

Interesting discussion. I have a pretty similar background to Molly - OCD, ADHD, eating disorder, etc. I've been on various meds - a LOT of them. The problem with mental health diagnoses is that they can be SO subjective. Someone who has had a lot of mental health issues and been in treatment facilities knows exactly what to say to a psychiatrist to get the diagnoses and medication they want. I was in treatment with a number of patients who did that - hell, in bad times I did it myself.

I was on Adderall for a short bit though I think my ADHD diagnosis was pretty iffy. I felt like I was flying on that stuff. Runs were effortless. Eventually hated feeling like I was addicted to the stuff. Quitting was hard.

I like Molly, I want to believe she's telling the truth. And it's also super easy to manipulate the psychiatric system. It'll be interesting to see if the TUE is granted.

No. Not all other. Assuming Sha'Carri was truthful, then they should have allowed it for that event.

furthermore,it seems that TUE should be a case -by case, athlete by athlete, explanation by explanation Therapeutic Use Exception...not a full exemption for any athlete for an indefinite period of time, as is happening now in sport.

this exception would have to be provided by licensed medical doctors who have clearance to have the confidential information and would provide a cleared or not cleared...much like an employment physical exam or drug test.

Every time I read the name “Molly Seidel”, I hear it in Morgan Freeman’s voice 😁

What could possibly go wrong trusting doctors with that power? It's not like doctors are not going to abuse their powers and become corrupt like Doc Brown, Michelle Ferrari, or Fauci. Doctors are simply beyond reproach, dollar signs, and virtue signaling.

Because it's a start. For my new job almost 4 years ago after relocating, i needed a work physical and a negative drug test (and a spotless background). The practitioner conducted the physical and kept the medical documentation upon what the clearance was based and i submitted to the company the form that simply said I was medically cleared to compete.

Same with the drug test.

It will keep athletes and coaches and trainers more honest.

To work...not compete. Oops.

What about the 10k runner that wants a TUE for periodic EPO use?

This runner depends upon good racing results for basic emotional, mental, physical, psychological, financial health and ell being.

They led an abnormal childhood as their parents were runners who lived a secluded life training in remote locations at high altitudes. The parents neglected this runner as they were focused on running not childrearing. Ths runner was poorly homeschooled and has developed few other marketable skills

This runner was lucky enough to get a pro shoe contract when they were 15. They depend upon income from that contract to support their spouse and child.

This runner has found that periodic doses of EPO help this runner function more normally. Without the EPO, the runner cannot run high mileage, hit target times in training, keep up with teammates and achieve racing success (times and finish places) needed to meet contract incentives and get paid.

Without the EPO, this runner experiences severe anxiety, depression and has been suicidal. The runner has a very hard time focusing in training if they are not hitting target mileages and times. Without EPO, the runner has abused their wife and child.

This runner needs EPO to function normally as an elite distance runner. The runner may be at a genetic disadvantage as their hematocrit does not seem to respond as well to altitude and other hard training like their teammates.

All of this runner's grandparents were obese, and this runner seems genetically predisposed to easily gain weight if they can not train intensely and at high mileages that the EPO helps them do. Without EPO, this runner has resorted to disordered eating behavior (starvation and bulimia) to maintain weight.

This runner fears not being able to perform well enough to represent their country in international cometitions. Failing to do that would require this runner to go on public assistance to survive, which would lead to additional depression, anxiety, abuse, disordered eating and suicidal tendencies.

I can’t decide who’s a bigger idiot. You for typing out that nonsense or me for reading it all?

A start of what? Lunacy?

You already have countless American doctors who are either corrupt or bat guano crazy. And they will even say you need testosterone if you are woman that says you want to identify as a man. Doctors can't be trusted with anything logical or to protect any basic rules.

If we can't trust doctors and pharmaceuticals, then we can't trust growers and dispensaries.

I'm not making a special exception for marijuana across the board if eligibility physicals can't be done for other drugs

Please tell me which job you have that bans Adderall…I’m a first responder and we get drug tested. I have many coworkers who take Adderrall. They don’t have a problem with the drug test.

It saddens me that so many on the website I love (Letsrun) respond to someone’s mental health issues this way.
I hope Molly continues to find help with her mental health struggles in a way that also allows her to compete.

That's because claiming "mental health" is just another excuse to dope with PEDs. Is it any wonder that most elite American athletes claim some form of asthma, thyroid problem, ADHD, or need for corticosteroids injections? They are more doped up than the Russians but we just whitewash it.

This is a good point, but does not mean she is without ADHD. It's well known (she intimated as such in her post) that intense and/or long exercise normalizes brain function and reduces symptoms of ADHD, to the point temporarily being cured (for some). So if Molly was interviewed shortly after training, she would appear to the uneducated as being neurally typical.

I stress, this is temporary. Those with true ADHD have physically different brain structures, iirc, about 6 regions of the brain are smaller, and one region is larger, as shown with fMRI. As far as i know, meds will not normalize the size of these brain regions. I'm guessing her ADHD is so bad that the exercise cure stops working after awhile and she feels she needs meds?

Riding is my Ritalin - How One Cyclist Gained Control Over His ADHD

Mmmmmm, No.

Russian doping was state sponsored and highly organized. It's also felt that like some of the Chinese females distance runners from the 90s and eastern bloc female doping decades early, it was "mandatory".

Ah, yes, the old white people trope that it's all the evil Russians and Chinese doping but not white Americans.