Lollys Master wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
Are your feelings hurt?
Actually yes, so it sure feels good to have at least some sort of justice. I don't know what are you fighting for though, Rogan himself whole-heartedly admitted he was wrong.
As someone who has black family members who struggle with racism daily, I was always baffled how he gets away with it. Finally it cought up to him.
This about about racism.
This is about protecting Big Pharma
carmine9 wrote:
Lollys Master wrote:
Actually yes, so it sure feels good to have at least some sort of justice. I don't know what are you fighting for though, Rogan himself whole-heartedly admitted he was wrong.
As someone who has black family members who struggle with racism daily, I was always baffled how he gets away with it. Finally it cought up to him.
This about about racism.
This is about protecting Big Pharma
I’m fighting for the incredible advice coming from Rogan n Doc Malone, who helped save my unvaccinated child’s future after he came down with Covid. Beat it like a drum and never had to change the DNA to do it. Grateful for their advice.
Rogan shouldn't be banned from Spotify. But the guy is getting paid $100 mil for a podcast and should be held accountable for the content of his podcast. Free speech is not a card you can play to absolve yourself from responsibility for the content of your speech. Rogan has had on several anti-vaxxer/COVID deniers since he caught COVID. He had on Bret Weinstein, Drs. Malone and McCullough and Alex Berenson. The only non-antivaxxer/COVID denier he had on in the same time period was Sanjay Gupta. But that interview was primarily set up so that Rogan could slam CNN for reporting that he took horse dewormer instead of accurately stating that he took the version of ivermectin prescribed for human consumption. His interviews with the anti-vaxxers are pretty terrible with Rogan completely incapable of challenging any of the BS they peddle. Rogan was subsequently shocked to learn during a podcast with another comedian/podcaster that the risk of myocarditis in kids was far greater (and more severe) due to COVID infection than from the mRNA vaxes. Somewhat to his credit, Rogan looked it up in real time during the interview and actually conceded the point. People have cited Rogan's willingness to engage on issues and be convinced to abandon his prior positions (Kyle Kulinski convinced Rogan that paid sick leave/family leave was good policy after Rogan slammed the idea of people getting paid time off to care for babies) as evidence that Rogan is not a bad actor. But the reality is that Rogan is an empty vessel and just tries to please whomever is an important demographic for his podcast. Rogan has a lot of alt-right/barstool sport followers who are into MMA, etc. So, Rogan will put people on his podcast who are popular with those people (Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, etc.). But Rogan also likes having on comedians and wants to keep on good terms with other comedians and their fans, who tend to be far more left leaning.
But in the end, Rogan is just paying lip service to more progressive views. He has not had anyone on to refute all the BS the COVID deniers got to spew over the course of four different podcasts. Same can be said for issues like global warming.
Precious Roy wrote:
Rogan shouldn't be banned from Spotify. But the guy is getting paid $100 mil for a podcast and should be held accountable for the content of his podcast. Free speech is not a card you can play to absolve yourself from responsibility for the content of your speech. Rogan has had on several anti-vaxxer/COVID deniers since he caught COVID. He had on Bret Weinstein, Drs. Malone and McCullough and Alex Berenson. The only non-antivaxxer/COVID denier he had on in the same time period was Sanjay Gupta. But that interview was primarily set up so that Rogan could slam CNN for reporting that he took horse dewormer instead of accurately stating that he took the version of ivermectin prescribed for human consumption. His interviews with the anti-vaxxers are pretty terrible with Rogan completely incapable of challenging any of the BS they peddle. Rogan was subsequently shocked to learn during a podcast with another comedian/podcaster that the risk of myocarditis in kids was far greater (and more severe) due to COVID infection than from the mRNA vaxes. Somewhat to his credit, Rogan looked it up in real time during the interview and actually conceded the point. People have cited Rogan's willingness to engage on issues and be convinced to abandon his prior positions (Kyle Kulinski convinced Rogan that paid sick leave/family leave was good policy after Rogan slammed the idea of people getting paid time off to care for babies) as evidence that Rogan is not a bad actor. But the reality is that Rogan is an empty vessel and just tries to please whomever is an important demographic for his podcast. Rogan has a lot of alt-right/barstool sport followers who are into MMA, etc. So, Rogan will put people on his podcast who are popular with those people (Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, etc.). But Rogan also likes having on comedians and wants to keep on good terms with other comedians and their fans, who tend to be far more left leaning.
But in the end, Rogan is just paying lip service to more progressive views. He has not had anyone on to refute all the BS the COVID deniers got to spew over the course of four different podcasts. Same can be said for issues like global warming.
It is idiotic to label anyone who isn't for lockdowns and mask mandates as a "COVID denier"...
And if Rogan is an "empty vessel" how pathetic are you? LOL!
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Rogan shouldn't be banned from Spotify. But the guy is getting paid $100 mil for a podcast and should be held accountable for the content of his podcast. Free speech is not a card you can play to absolve yourself from responsibility for the content of your speech. Rogan has had on several anti-vaxxer/COVID deniers since he caught COVID. He had on Bret Weinstein, Drs. Malone and McCullough and Alex Berenson. The only non-antivaxxer/COVID denier he had on in the same time period was Sanjay Gupta. But that interview was primarily set up so that Rogan could slam CNN for reporting that he took horse dewormer instead of accurately stating that he took the version of ivermectin prescribed for human consumption. His interviews with the anti-vaxxers are pretty terrible with Rogan completely incapable of challenging any of the BS they peddle. Rogan was subsequently shocked to learn during a podcast with another comedian/podcaster that the risk of myocarditis in kids was far greater (and more severe) due to COVID infection than from the mRNA vaxes. Somewhat to his credit, Rogan looked it up in real time during the interview and actually conceded the point. People have cited Rogan's willingness to engage on issues and be convinced to abandon his prior positions (Kyle Kulinski convinced Rogan that paid sick leave/family leave was good policy after Rogan slammed the idea of people getting paid time off to care for babies) as evidence that Rogan is not a bad actor. But the reality is that Rogan is an empty vessel and just tries to please whomever is an important demographic for his podcast. Rogan has a lot of alt-right/barstool sport followers who are into MMA, etc. So, Rogan will put people on his podcast who are popular with those people (Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, etc.). But Rogan also likes having on comedians and wants to keep on good terms with other comedians and their fans, who tend to be far more left leaning.
But in the end, Rogan is just paying lip service to more progressive views. He has not had anyone on to refute all the BS the COVID deniers got to spew over the course of four different podcasts. Same can be said for issues like global warming.
It is idiotic to label anyone who isn't for lockdowns and mask mandates as a "COVID denier"...
And if Rogan is an "empty vessel" how pathetic are you? LOL!
Yes. The only issue with Roy’s argument is that Rogan, and his Dr, face perfect advice. I have 2 children that have lived it and will continue their lives without ANY long term health consequences or altered DNA. Had I listened to the fear lingers there is no telling the harm I could have done to my children. As it stands, I’ve done none. They are as healthy now as the day before they contracted the bioweapon. These Fauci disciples are lunatics spreading misinformation and advice that could do irreparable harm on children. Rohan’s advice has been God sent. Anyone sticking their kids with the unknown carries a heavy burden.
Noyankee wrote:
I’m fighting for the incredible advice coming from Rogan n Doc Malone, who helped save my unvaccinated child’s future after he came down with Covid. Beat it like a drum and never had to change the DNA to do it. Grateful for their advice.
Is this satire of lunatic beliefs or genuine? Poe's Law strikes again.
A few typos but point made. Babies are not experiments for monsters.
AOL Lawyer wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
I’m fighting for the incredible advice coming from Rogan n Doc Malone, who helped save my unvaccinated child’s future after he came down with Covid. Beat it like a drum and never had to change the DNA to do it. Grateful for their advice.
Is this satire of lunatic beliefs or genuine? Poe's Law strikes again.
I am pretty happy with my DNA changes since I got vaxxed. A couple of the sequences are causing me to grow a 3rd eyebrow but I am OK with it. If they roll out another booster, I am going to get two. I want to see if it causes hair growth on top of my head. Keep em coming Fauci!
Oh yeah, and the 5G is working well too.
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Yes exactly - it's all about the amendments and freedoms of speech........ except when there is something to be gained by not being all about it.
I will reiterate, I find Rogain painful and don't agree with the things he said here - but he's entitled and allowed to say them.
Why painful?
He asks questions and he let's people talk. The "news" sets an agenda and then crafts 30 second segments into reinforcing their political views.
Rogan is being attacked because he's not bought and paid for like the rest of the media.
Any "liberal" should be horrified by the establishment coming after free speech.
Any "liberal" who sides with the establishment to attack the 1st amendment is a fool.
I don't disagree with you - I just don't personally like Joe Rogan and don't care to listen to him or his points of view on a majority of issues. But that's just me. That being said I have no issue at all with voicing those things and if people like and want to listen to it (which clearly they do) then that's great.
I don't sit anywhere on the f-ed up political spectrum of this society and I'm not horrified by stuff because it's just massive over-dramatization which of course sums up the US in a nutshell. I find it more comically hypocritical when things like the 1st amendment are arbitrarily leveraged from both sides for some kind of social capital etc. I agree with you that it's most what you are labelling "the left" that are the worst perpetrators when it comes to this when they would love you to think it's the other way around.
Rainy Day wrote:
I don’t care if you like him or not. He’s clearly not racist, at least not more than the average person (white or black). A lot of his comedian and MMA buddies are black. He didn’t call anyone the N word, he was using the word to repeat a story.
I’m actually more let down that he had to cave for the apology. It did seem like a real apology and not a Tiger Woods type apology for sleeping with dozens of women while married. Either way, he shouldn’t have to explain it. Nobody should when there is no harmful intent. Making the word completely off limits to any group except one only helps to perpetuate racism.
I hope Chapelle steps up and supports Rogan, like Rogan supported Chapelle after the Trans outrage.
The social justice crowd has to find a line, just like the me too movement. It started off with racists and men using their power to influence women. Then it went to people just making unwanted advances and stopped. You don’t know if a move will be wanted or not until you try. If it’s unwanted, you back off. Common sense has gone out the window in this keyboard warrior world.
I also listen to Joe Rogan and perhaps he is not a racists, but if you are a long time listener, I am not sure how you can say something like "clearly not racist". There have been a ton of thinly veiled hurtful things he and his guests have said towards different minorities groups that are usually worded is a way to not blow up. The angry White man is almost the nature of his show and is his targeted audience. That is why I say Joe Rogan is perhaps not a racists, but a capitalist. There is a definite audience for the Joe Rogan type of media. A media person who lives in my town worked at Fox in the early years of their transition to entertainment-news. In an interview, she stated she given a profile of the target audience for her time slot and specifically told the best way to succeed is to give the audience what they are tuning in for. Is that racism or Capitalism?
TrackCoach wrote:
Rainy Day wrote:
I don’t care if you like him or not. He’s clearly not racist, at least not more than the average person (white or black). A lot of his comedian and MMA buddies are black. He didn’t call anyone the N word, he was using the word to repeat a story.
I’m actually more let down that he had to cave for the apology. It did seem like a real apology and not a Tiger Woods type apology for sleeping with dozens of women while married. Either way, he shouldn’t have to explain it. Nobody should when there is no harmful intent. Making the word completely off limits to any group except one only helps to perpetuate racism.
I hope Chapelle steps up and supports Rogan, like Rogan supported Chapelle after the Trans outrage.
The social justice crowd has to find a line, just like the me too movement. It started off with racists and men using their power to influence women. Then it went to people just making unwanted advances and stopped. You don’t know if a move will be wanted or not until you try. If it’s unwanted, you back off. Common sense has gone out the window in this keyboard warrior world.
I also listen to Joe Rogan and perhaps he is not a racists, but if you are a long time listener, I am not sure how you can say something like "clearly not racist". There have been a ton of thinly veiled hurtful things he and his guests have said towards different minorities groups that are usually worded is a way to not blow up. The angry White man is almost the nature of his show and is his targeted audience. That is why I say Joe Rogan is perhaps not a racists, but a capitalist. There is a definite audience for the Joe Rogan type of media. A media person who lives in my town worked at Fox in the early years of their transition to entertainment-news. In an interview, she stated she given a profile of the target audience for her time slot and specifically told the best way to succeed is to give the audience what they are tuning in for. Is that racism or Capitalism?
The notion that Rogan's audience is "angry white men" is absurd.
All the "angry white people" are in CNN and NPR's audience. No one alive is angrier than white liberals.
113 episodes removed. Clearly everyone was aligned on the right course of action. The whiners in this thread are the very very fringe.
Precious Roy wrote:
Rogan shouldn't be banned from Spotify. But the guy is getting paid $100 mil for a podcast and should be held accountable for the content of his podcast. Free speech is not a card you can play to absolve yourself from responsibility for the content of your speech. Rogan has had on several anti-vaxxer/COVID deniers since he caught COVID. He had on Bret Weinstein, Drs. Malone and McCullough and Alex Berenson. The only non-antivaxxer/COVID denier he had on in the same time period was Sanjay Gupta. But that interview was primarily set up so that Rogan could slam CNN for reporting that he took horse dewormer instead of accurately stating that he took the version of ivermectin prescribed for human consumption. His interviews with the anti-vaxxers are pretty terrible with Rogan completely incapable of challenging any of the BS they peddle. Rogan was subsequently shocked to learn during a podcast with another comedian/podcaster that the risk of myocarditis in kids was far greater (and more severe) due to COVID infection than from the mRNA vaxes. Somewhat to his credit, Rogan looked it up in real time during the interview and actually conceded the point. People have cited Rogan's willingness to engage on issues and be convinced to abandon his prior positions (Kyle Kulinski convinced Rogan that paid sick leave/family leave was good policy after Rogan slammed the idea of people getting paid time off to care for babies) as evidence that Rogan is not a bad actor. But the reality is that Rogan is an empty vessel and just tries to please whomever is an important demographic for his podcast. Rogan has a lot of alt-right/barstool sport followers who are into MMA, etc. So, Rogan will put people on his podcast who are popular with those people (Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, etc.). But Rogan also likes having on comedians and wants to keep on good terms with other comedians and their fans, who tend to be far more left leaning.
But in the end, Rogan is just paying lip service to more progressive views. He has not had anyone on to refute all the BS the COVID deniers got to spew over the course of four different podcasts. Same can be said for issues like global warming.
But what if Weinstein, Malone, and McCullough are right in the positions they take? In fact, Weinstein was one of the first scientists to come out publicly with clear evidence that a lab leak was the most likely scenario when the "Scientific Consensus" said the opposite. To this point, nothing he said has been disproven, and most has been confirmed and now most people believe Covid leaked out of the Wuhan lab. Fauci and his acolytes have created a fake "scientific consensus" and Fauci has repeatedly crushed dissent due to the fact that he controls billions of federal funding for scientific research. So that brings me back to the point that what if these people, some of who have incredible credentials, you want to not have a platform are right? Scientific Consensus has been wrong over and over again throughout history and oftentimes there are tragic results and suffering caused when this happens.
We already know that in the Pfizer trials data was manipulated or falsified. This has been publicly admitted, it is not a tinfoil hat theory. You can find numerous interviews of Fauci and others saying the vaccines would stop transmission. We now know that was false and that you need boosters at least every 6 months to maintain vaccine effectiveness. Maybe we should be listening to these people. Because it doesn't seem like the arbiters of truth are very honest.
Yes. The only issue with Roy’s argument is that Rogan, and his Dr, face perfect advice. I have 2 children that have lived it and will continue their lives without ANY long term health consequences or altered DNA. Had I listened to the fear lingers there is no telling the harm I could have done to my children. As it stands, I’ve done none. They are as healthy now as the day before they contracted the bioweapon. These Fauci disciples are lunatics spreading misinformation and advice that could do irreparable harm on children. Rohan’s advice has been God sent. Anyone sticking their kids with the unknown carries a heavy burden.
The mRNA vaccines don't interact with DNA. A Covid infection however, does. I'm glad your children thus far haven't shown any side affects from their Covid compromised, "altered" DNA.
Tin Foil Hats Prevail wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Rogan shouldn't be banned from Spotify. But the guy is getting paid $100 mil for a podcast and should be held accountable for the content of his podcast. Free speech is not a card you can play to absolve yourself from responsibility for the content of your speech. Rogan has had on several anti-vaxxer/COVID deniers since he caught COVID. He had on Bret Weinstein, Drs. Malone and McCullough and Alex Berenson. The only non-antivaxxer/COVID denier he had on in the same time period was Sanjay Gupta. But that interview was primarily set up so that Rogan could slam CNN for reporting that he took horse dewormer instead of accurately stating that he took the version of ivermectin prescribed for human consumption. His interviews with the anti-vaxxers are pretty terrible with Rogan completely incapable of challenging any of the BS they peddle. Rogan was subsequently shocked to learn during a podcast with another comedian/podcaster that the risk of myocarditis in kids was far greater (and more severe) due to COVID infection than from the mRNA vaxes. Somewhat to his credit, Rogan looked it up in real time during the interview and actually conceded the point. People have cited Rogan's willingness to engage on issues and be convinced to abandon his prior positions (Kyle Kulinski convinced Rogan that paid sick leave/family leave was good policy after Rogan slammed the idea of people getting paid time off to care for babies) as evidence that Rogan is not a bad actor. But the reality is that Rogan is an empty vessel and just tries to please whomever is an important demographic for his podcast. Rogan has a lot of alt-right/barstool sport followers who are into MMA, etc. So, Rogan will put people on his podcast who are popular with those people (Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, etc.). But Rogan also likes having on comedians and wants to keep on good terms with other comedians and their fans, who tend to be far more left leaning.
But in the end, Rogan is just paying lip service to more progressive views. He has not had anyone on to refute all the BS the COVID deniers got to spew over the course of four different podcasts. Same can be said for issues like global warming.
But what if Weinstein, Malone, and McCullough are right in the positions they take? In fact, Weinstein was one of the first scientists to come out publicly with clear evidence that a lab leak was the most likely scenario when the "Scientific Consensus" said the opposite. To this point, nothing he said has been disproven, and most has been confirmed and now most people believe Covid leaked out of the Wuhan lab. Fauci and his acolytes have created a fake "scientific consensus" and Fauci has repeatedly crushed dissent due to the fact that he controls billions of federal funding for scientific research. So that brings me back to the point that what if these people, some of who have incredible credentials, you want to not have a platform are right? Scientific Consensus has been wrong over and over again throughout history and oftentimes there are tragic results and suffering caused when this happens.
We already know that in the Pfizer trials data was manipulated or falsified. This has been publicly admitted, it is not a tinfoil hat theory. You can find numerous interviews of Fauci and others saying the vaccines would stop transmission. We now know that was false and that you need boosters at least every 6 months to maintain vaccine effectiveness. Maybe we should be listening to these people. Because it doesn't seem like the arbiters of truth are very honest.
New evidence and data changes scientists positions. The vaccines were excellent at stopping transmission until Delta. Then with boosters they were decent against Delta. Now with Omicron they are just ok again (30-50% against transmission).
Changing your interpretation based on new data and changing conditions is a requirement for good science... not a failure of scientists.
Same issue with the boosters. Most vaccine courses are determined empirically. You dose, wait, see how immune responses look, and dose again if necessary. The majority of vaccines require 3+ doses.
Interestingly... there is virtually zero evidence for severe long/short effects in any frequency from vaccination, but plenty of evidence (see: 800k+ dead Americans) for severe effects from COVID. So remind me who is "ignoring data"
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
I also listen to Joe Rogan and perhaps he is not a racists, but if you are a long time listener, I am not sure how you can say something like "clearly not racist". There have been a ton of thinly veiled hurtful things he and his guests have said towards different minorities groups that are usually worded is a way to not blow up. The angry White man is almost the nature of his show and is his targeted audience. That is why I say Joe Rogan is perhaps not a racists, but a capitalist. There is a definite audience for the Joe Rogan type of media. A media person who lives in my town worked at Fox in the early years of their transition to entertainment-news. In an interview, she stated she given a profile of the target audience for her time slot and specifically told the best way to succeed is to give the audience what they are tuning in for. Is that racism or Capitalism?
The notion that Rogan's audience is "angry white men" is absurd.
All the "angry white people" are in CNN and NPR's audience. No one alive is angrier than white liberals.
Rogan (Rog) has been mocked to unmerciful and back. He is angry, he is white, and he is men. He is the great triumvirate of three aspects of American life in society. He has been pilloried by the forces incumbent upon us all.
May god have compassion on his soul, as well as yours AdRoom. Don't ever misapprehend the compassion of the one and singular ever-watching, ever-knowing god of Biblical proportions. That seems to have been your downfall in this thread, AdRoom. Your failure to comprehend greater forces at play for your wretched soul.
Spotify even apologized. Joe is too big to fail! Could be a good case study for success
sparky polastry wrote:
Yes. The only issue with Roy’s argument is that Rogan, and his Dr, face perfect advice. I have 2 children that have lived it and will continue their lives without ANY long term health consequences or altered DNA. Had I listened to the fear lingers there is no telling the harm I could have done to my children. As it stands, I’ve done none. They are as healthy now as the day before they contracted the bioweapon. These Fauci disciples are lunatics spreading misinformation and advice that could do irreparable harm on children. Rohan’s advice has been God sent. Anyone sticking their kids with the unknown carries a heavy burden.
The mRNA vaccines don't interact with DNA. A Covid infection however, does. I'm glad your children thus far haven't shown any side affects from their Covid compromised, "altered" DNA.
Noyankee will not understand this.
It is beyond painful to read what some of you write. It's like we're living on different planets.
brishen wrote:
sparky polastry wrote:
The mRNA vaccines don't interact with DNA. A Covid infection however, does. I'm glad your children thus far haven't shown any side affects from their Covid compromised, "altered" DNA.
Noyankee will not understand this.
No, I've seen NoYank's posts. There is enough reading comprehension in them to show an ability to understand statements like "mRNA vaccines don't interact with DNA." Keep in mind that NoYank has used terms like "altered DNA" and " God sent" so he is aware of what DNA is, and he is aware of what "altered" means, and he knows that God will send sage advice to those who are opposed to "altered DNA." So, really, don't worry about his comprehension going forward, as well as his knowledge of God-Faith which supersedes the alleged science.