Well said. Bye Al.
And of course, the complete lack of warning from this sexual abuser is a major part of Mary's lawsuit. Let's hope she gets all the money she deserves from this abusive cheat and Nike.
Well said. Bye Al.
And of course, the complete lack of warning from this sexual abuser is a major part of Mary's lawsuit. Let's hope she gets all the money she deserves from this abusive cheat and Nike.
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
serena wrote:
You are barking up the wrong tree here. Now you want to morally judge a victim because you think she owes other people something. The victim first has to take care of herself. Once she has done that she can potentially address other issues. You are implying that if the victim knows about a perpetrator that she potentially has moral culpability for his future behavior. This is incorrect.
If we are still assuming it’s Kara, I think it is a fair judgement. Like I said, it’s a separate issue than Al Sal’s allegations.
I don’t believe people should be selfish. I think not telling doesn’t make her morally culpable for Salazar’s actions. Instead she is failing her fellow man/woman. She is failing to protect the sport she has benefited from. She has a moral obligation to give back to the community that helped her.
Once again, completely separate from what Salazar may have done.
"If it was Kara, can we call her out for not speaking about it sooner?
She potentially allowed Salazar to abuse a dozen other women by remaining silent all these years."
The only way I read this is "If it was her [we don't know it was her] then she potentially allowed him to abuse other women." That's textbook blaming her for him abusing other people. Maybe it's not what you think you meant, but I don't think it's fair to say people are twisting your words.
On to this last post. It's really reductive to abstract away all context, including the person who committed the assault, and then philosophize over the morality of the victim as if nothing happened to them. Just because you don't have the full context doesn't mean you can ignore it, which is what you are trying to do when you say "completely separate from what salazar may have done..." For example, you have no idea what Salazar may have done to try to keep this person quiet.
Also, this is out! He's banned! People know about it! It seems to me like from your point of view whoever was assaulted has done their job, no?
I don't know if this will make Kara's haters respect her or just harden their feelings towards Adam and her. I get the impression that > 90% of the board has abandoned Al and it may have only been 60% before today.
lord_pat wrote:
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
If we are still assuming it’s Kara, I think it is a fair judgement. Like I said, it’s a separate issue than Al Sal’s allegations.
I don’t believe people should be selfish. I think not telling doesn’t make her morally culpable for Salazar’s actions. Instead she is failing her fellow man/woman. She is failing to protect the sport she has benefited from. She has a moral obligation to give back to the community that helped her.
Once again, completely separate from what Salazar may have done.
"If it was Kara, can we call her out for not speaking about it sooner?
She potentially allowed Salazar to abuse a dozen other women by remaining silent all these years."
The only way I read this is "If it was her [we don't know it was her] then she potentially allowed him to abuse other women." That's textbook blaming her for him abusing other people. Maybe it's not what you think you meant, but I don't think it's fair to say people are twisting your words.
On to this last post. It's really reductive to abstract away all context, including the person who committed the assault, and then philosophize over the morality of the victim as if nothing happened to them. Just because you don't have the full context doesn't mean you can ignore it, which is what you are trying to do when you say "completely separate from what salazar may have done..." For example, you have no idea what Salazar may have done to try to keep this person quiet.
Also, this is out! He's banned! People know about it! It seems to me like from your point of view whoever was assaulted has done their job, no?
I understand your point and I think it is a fair assessment. I appreciate you pointing out my reductionism. Obviously, when we are dealing with human emotions and abuse it is multifactorial, I should've done a better job addressing those.
My point of the timing is that she should've spoken sooner to potentially prevent more victims and that this should've been the focus against Salazar for the last 6 years, instead of the doping allegations.
you said this earlier in the boards dude, give it a rest.
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
lord_pat wrote:
"If it was Kara, can we call her out for not speaking about it sooner?
She potentially allowed Salazar to abuse a dozen other women by remaining silent all these years."
The only way I read this is "If it was her [we don't know it was her] then she potentially allowed him to abuse other women." That's textbook blaming her for him abusing other people. Maybe it's not what you think you meant, but I don't think it's fair to say people are twisting your words.
On to this last post. It's really reductive to abstract away all context, including the person who committed the assault, and then philosophize over the morality of the victim as if nothing happened to them. Just because you don't have the full context doesn't mean you can ignore it, which is what you are trying to do when you say "completely separate from what salazar may have done..." For example, you have no idea what Salazar may have done to try to keep this person quiet.
Also, this is out! He's banned! People know about it! It seems to me like from your point of view whoever was assaulted has done their job, no?
I understand your point and I think it is a fair assessment. I appreciate you pointing out my reductionism. Obviously, when we are dealing with human emotions and abuse it is multifactorial, I should've done a better job addressing those.
My point of the timing is that she should've spoken sooner to potentially prevent more victims and that this should've been the focus against Salazar for the last 6 years, instead of the doping allegations.
That is blaming the victim. And it is absurd.
Are you the same Al Salazar who put testosterone cream on your own kids to do some kind of doping experiment?
Yes!
Did you massage said woman ever? Yes! But not when she says I did what is alleged, not that day!
You Al Sal, are an idiot, you lose the benefit of the doubt, you are not convicted and we do not even pledge to know what really happened. You massaged this woman and sent prescription pills to an athlete in Europe hidden in a book?
I mean if this guy ever massaged the accuser. Goodbye, that's enough. Say his banishment included unproven allegations but by all means tell the fool he struck out, to sit down. Anything less than that is stupid risk-taking to the point of being part of the problem.
How can that not be good enough?
blackstone wrote:
wejo wrote:
We put up our article with our thoughts on this
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/01/5-thoughts-on-ny-times-report-that-alberto-salazar-was-banned-by-safesport-for-sexual-assault/You need to revise this article; in particular 5). The leak of the summary is not a violation of federal law under 36 USC § 220541(f)(4)(C). Please read the statute more carefully.
Feel free to email me on this . Wejo@letsrun.com. We weren’t sure it was a violation so we used the word “May” .
casual obsever wrote:
Well said. Bye Al.
And of course, the complete lack of warning from this sexual abuser is a major part of Mary's lawsuit. Let's hope she gets all the money she deserves from this abusive cheat and Nike.
Mary didn’t allege sexual abuse in her lawsuit so it likely is not her.
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
lord_pat wrote:
"If it was Kara, can we call her out for not speaking about it sooner?
She potentially allowed Salazar to abuse a dozen other women by remaining silent all these years."
The only way I read this is "If it was her [we don't know it was her] then she potentially allowed him to abuse other women." That's textbook blaming her for him abusing other people. Maybe it's not what you think you meant, but I don't think it's fair to say people are twisting your words.
On to this last post. It's really reductive to abstract away all context, including the person who committed the assault, and then philosophize over the morality of the victim as if nothing happened to them. Just because you don't have the full context doesn't mean you can ignore it, which is what you are trying to do when you say "completely separate from what salazar may have done..." For example, you have no idea what Salazar may have done to try to keep this person quiet.
Also, this is out! He's banned! People know about it! It seems to me like from your point of view whoever was assaulted has done their job, no?
I understand your point and I think it is a fair assessment. I appreciate you pointing out my reductionism. Obviously, when we are dealing with human emotions and abuse it is multifactorial, I should've done a better job addressing those.
My point of the timing is that she should've spoken sooner to potentially prevent more victims and that this should've been the focus against Salazar for the last 6 years, instead of the doping allegations.
I don't think the person who this happened to (it might not be Kara, y'all just saying) is to BLAME for what happened to Mary. But I do think that if I were Mary, I would feel a little betrayed and incensed.
Why did NO one reach out? they sat on this information--and I mean ALL of it, the drugs, the abuse, the sexual abuse, they just all sat on it. No one? She was a fifteen year old girl and her parents were rhapsodizing about how this was divine intervention from god, and none of them felt an inclination, an urge to do SOMETHING? just feels like such a failure. And it's not just this victim who I am sure suffered some trauma from this. After all, this predated Nassar and Me Too, and the fact that this happened was probably deeply traumatic and maybe they felt pressured to keep it secret.
But there were so many people who knew. So many. and they just left a teenage girl and her family out in the cold. That's not okay. Whatever you think about Mary, that's not okay to do to her.
svoinwe wrote:
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
I understand your point and I think it is a fair assessment. I appreciate you pointing out my reductionism. Obviously, when we are dealing with human emotions and abuse it is multifactorial, I should've done a better job addressing those.
My point of the timing is that she should've spoken sooner to potentially prevent more victims and that this should've been the focus against Salazar for the last 6 years, instead of the doping allegations.
I don't think the person who this happened to (it might not be Kara, y'all just saying) is to BLAME for what happened to Mary. But I do think that if I were Mary, I would feel a little betrayed and incensed.
Why did NO one reach out? they sat on this information--and I mean ALL of it, the drugs, the abuse, the sexual abuse, they just all sat on it. No one? She was a fifteen year old girl and her parents were rhapsodizing about how this was divine intervention from god, and none of them felt an inclination, an urge to do SOMETHING? just feels like such a failure. And it's not just this victim who I am sure suffered some trauma from this. After all, this predated Nassar and Me Too, and the fact that this happened was probably deeply traumatic and maybe they felt pressured to keep it secret.
But there were so many people who knew. So many. and they just left a teenage girl and her family out in the cold. That's not okay. Whatever you think about Mary, that's not okay to do to her.
Timing is everything. Why now and not earlier? We can only speculate.
Did he convince Alan Webb to convert to hardcore Christianity during the short time he worked with him?
Jalapeno wrote:
Did he convince Alan Webb to convert to hardcore Christianity during the short time he worked with him?
if true this is his biggest crime of all.
I think that nearly everyone here is barking up the wrong tree. I think that the kill shot came from somewhere else.
There is Room for All wrote:
I think that nearly everyone here is barking up the wrong tree. I think that the kill shot came from somewhere else.
im pretty convinced of where it came from but again that's irrelevant.
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