rekrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Only someone as stupid as you would assume that any comment I ignore I must therefore be agreeing with. Most of what you say requires being ignored.
You failed to see my further comment that Cheptegei may possibly be capable of a 3.32-33 for the 1500 at his peak and in the right conditions - although he has yet to beat 3.37. Hence, he may be capable of 7.25 if he is able to run to the same differential splits as Komen did - which was 11 secs slower for each 1500 split than his fastest 1500. Hence your 7.37 prediction based on a 3.37pr for the 1500 is irrelevant. It also explains how Cheptegei was able to run 7.33 during his 5k record.
The other runners you mention, like Bekele, were not 1500m runners and so their 1500 prs were not likely to be the best they were capable of. While the same applies to Cheptegei, I stand by my previous point that the 3k record requires speed as well as endurance and Cheptegei has yet to show that he has that kind of speed. The 3k is only a little more than half the distance of the 5k. Speed is crucial - even with Cheptegei's endurance. I do not see any runner who can't beat 3.30 for the 1500 taking Komen's record. Cheptegei won't be taking it in his so-called "record attempt", as he has ackowledged it is beyond him - as it has been beyond everybody.
It hardly matters what you agree with when you have not disputed, and/or cannot dispute, my responses.
None of your subsequent explanations explains or supports your initial use of "can't manage".
And your comment that Cheptegei may be capable of 3:32-3:33 suggests that he "can manage", and that the phrase "can't manage" doesn't apply -- in other words, you are in complete agreement.
With respect to your "10 second differential" rule, I agree we are unlikely to have accurate data for endurance type runners who don't run 1500m to their potential. For athletes like Geb, and Bekele, and El G, we can't even be sure that we have their best 3000m times.
Speed and endurance are both crucial -- still no disagreement here. There are other models we can use to calculate speed and endurance from two comparable times. If his 5000m and 10000m World Record performances are of comparable quality, we can solve these times and distances for speed and endurance. Using this solution predicts a 1500m time of 3:30.90 and a 3000m time of 7:19.89. This speed/endurance model strongly suggests a WR, at this early stage when not in WR shape, is not likely.
You stupid piece of cr*p, I said Cheptegei could not be expected to put two 3.40's together "if he can't manage much faster than that for one". I did not say that 3.37 is his limit, even though he has yet to surpass that time.
But 7.33! So much for 7.20 being a "soft" world mark. But not bad for a 3.37 runner. Go back to your "tables". "7.11-14" is as ridiculous as all your other vacuous claims. Enjoy your loss.