Christian Coleman facing a possible suspension for 3 missed tests

khorrps wrote:

1: and I said I'm white, so how do you see any 'convolution'? more like making 'points' up from nothing

2: he's somewhere on the caucasian spectrum, goes to 1

maurice retired 13 years ago and had fallen off by then, six years before gay and powell got popped. maybe technologies evolved? but his 2004 samples had to be kept and likely retested in 2012, still didn't get caught. someone testified about him in 2008 but they had these samples for years, and?..

my point is not saying anyone is or isn't clean, just that I for the most part believe in the order they're listed in the all time list. and that someone doping at one point didn't necessarily do it always and all of theirs best results are invalid

1. What does your "whiteness" have to do with the issue at hand? See. More race stuff. You have a thing for it. It's weird.

You keep talking about samples and tests. What were they even doing in 2004? Did they have out of comp. testing the way the do now (based on the Greek sprinter story, I feel like no)? I don't know the systems involved, what samples would they even have of Greene's? His samples from the 2004 Olympics?? So, you're basing your argument on his perceived innocence on the concept that he wouldn't have been off his "cycle", or whatever it is they do, and the stuff would still be in his system in '04 AT the olympics and he just didn't care because he knew he just wouldn't be caught? And now with "better testing" they'd find it? Is that the theory here?

And the concept of "he was off all his crap" by the time his sampling was done in '04 has nothing to do with a possible explanation? I'm just saying in theory, here.

The all-time list can never be truly trusted because it can't take eras into account, let alone the doping issue. So I don't know why you'd trust the order it's in straight up, anyway. If Bolt was running in 1956, he wouldn't be at the top of the list right now because he would have been stuck on cinders with people largely clocking him with stop watches. Basically like Bob Hayes.

Do I think a Tyson Gay achieved what he did clean? No. He was talented, but he got to 9.71 with help. You think his presence on the list at #2 is fair when at age 23 he's got a basic PR in the vicinity of 10.01 and then by age 25 he's pushing the basic 9.80 barrier? Anyone who can run 10.10 basic has inherent talent. But does his 9.71/9.69 and presence at #2 on the list seem fair and appropriate? No. It just doesn't. Hell, you're a fan of his era; even a doped up Powell deserves that spot more than Gay simply based on at least a SLIGHTLY more reasonable progression curve.

How does Coleman get to where he is already on the list? The 100m list, specifically? Think he gets to that #6 spot on talent and dedication alone? Really? With his poor finishing ability, I'm gonna say there's no way. I'd bet one easier way to stretch out his starting ability and null out his poor final 40 meters in the way he did in the Worlds Final is by taking some "extra" stuff. Go ahead and ask his boy Drummond if a great starter can have an easy time of fixing his finishing issues. How might that issue get circumvented? Drummond likely knows some options...

Honestly, I'm leaning towards the camp of just letting it become a free-for-all. It's kind of becoming academic trying to act like the battle can be waged at all, really, let alone won. But whatever.

Ugh. At age 23 Gay's basic 100m conversion was 10.10, not 10.01. Typo. My bad.

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How can anyone be so naive to think all these sub 10 sprinters aren't hugely doped?

How can you not question how someone can train their entire life , dedicating themselves completely to the sport, and on the biggest stage in the Olympics in their prime, they deliberatley slow down at the end of their race ? See Usain Bolt. Its completely laughable.

I called out another user for saying lemaitre is the best ever cause every black athlete is a druggie to him, and told him I'm not hating caucasians since I'm white. you're making up your 'thing about black and white'.

whatever green may have took was never found even after some supposedly credible source was in court about him, so they had to look at him even more than usual and found nothing. how would I know about his cycles. they had many samples and found nothing, that's it. don't know why you're hell bent to keep telling me that means nothing, I don't care, just telling you they found nothing.

gay was also tested all the time and nothing. only caught when his body started getting weaker, same as powell. he used a not so sophisticated drug, nothing so supreme as to be undetectable. foe some reason he used to primarily focus on 200 where he had a 19.93 by 23, would be sub 10 if he'd focused on that. his 100 was far superior regardless drugs or not. in 200 he never achieved equal level to the 100 when in his best shape, so the 10.10 is not accurate.

most of your statements are beliefs and speculations. cool. I believe from the ones that took drugs not all did it to peak but to stay at a high level

the slowing down was a media thing, overblown. he didn't lose enough time to make it sub 9.58 if he'd run through

Nonsense, he panicked he went too fast. Like Yohan Blake's 200m.

NERunner053 wrote:

What's the deal with the LRC take on this one & with Thomas? We're talking about semantics of a 3rd missed test in the first place...

I don't like allowing that many misses in the first place. Maybe that whole system needs an overhaul. If you can't test on the day you show up why not come back the next day and the day after and if they still refuse then give them a ban?

I agree that testers should be better about documenting and/or taking video but LRC usually doesn't hold back on suspected dopers. I'm really skeptical if someone misses one test. It seems easy enough for an athlete to make themselves available if they have nothing to hide.

To get to third, you would have had to have a first and a second. And there are four missed tests in all. This speaks to a pattern; a pattern which is not in his favor.

Thomas and every athlete caught doing this should be banned.

khorrps wrote:

what's wrong with the particular athletes you mentioned? all except mitchel are good clean sub 10 runners and achieved a lot

It’s hard not to respond to such a stupid post as yours. It shows the profound depth of your ignorance.

Iolanda wrote:

I'm not defending Thomas on the CC comment at all, but there is indirect & direct racism in the sport & media, regardless of whether black sprinters have been winning medals for so long.

Only yesterday I was re-watching the women's 100m final from Beijing 2015 on the WAF Youtube channel, and the amount of commentary and coverage Schippers got compared to SAF, who got marginally more, but who should have had much more, was telling....

That all being said, I am white, I am a big Schippers fan, and I believe Coleman is a cheat

Totally agree with everything you have said.

Here is a starting point for you to begin learning:

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5305808

Sprintgeezer wrote:

khorrps wrote:

what's wrong with the particular athletes you mentioned? all except mitchel are good clean sub 10 runners and achieved a lot

It’s hard not to respond to such a stupid post as yours. It shows the profound depth of your ignorance.

Actually the poster has made reasonable logical statements. I do find your comment that Lemaitre is the only clean sprinter - quite beyond the pale.

You sound like the same poster, repeating the same lie.

You know, people can see that you’re an idiot. But, by all means. keep posting.

Meantime, CC is provisionally suspended.

yohan blake had a horrible start and a phenomenal last 100

bolt cruahed his record next year and went all out no stopping

you're the one writing novels of nonsense. and no, I'm not using two accounts. if anything you made it up to create this great 'out' from being made fun of for your theories

Breaking: black athletes can now abuse PEDs unimpeded, cause privilege.

They found nothing on Armstrong either. Your gullible assertion that Gay took just to stay on top is based on no evidence. Seems like you are ok with doping anyway.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

You sound like the same poster, repeating the same lie.

You know, people can see that you’re an idiot. But, by all means. keep posting.

People have known for years that you are an idiot. But by all means, keep posting.