ric flair woo wrote:
he was wrote:
Tefera was the WJR holder, the record was broken by JI today by 0.03s.
bro, tefera is 19
You keep doing it. We all know he's 19, but the rules say he is 20 on January 1 in the year he turns 20. Even if his birthday is October. Its like horses ffs. Give it rest. You are spamming
Interesting watching Jakob trailing his brother. In the middle he wanted to go, but eased back.
He seems to be less confident pacing himself in the big time comps. IMO he needs to 'fail' a race to find out what he can do. He can't have his brother dragging him around his whole life. He needs to find his limits
Guessing he understands. But he got me thinking that it would be nice if it was your age on race day. Somebody born in January has an advantage over somebody born in December when it comes to setting a record.
ric flair woo wrote:
Ingebrigtsens are gods wrote:
And 3:34 is definitely slow
well the 26th fastest guy of all time indoors ran 3:34 so your credibility just went out the door
next
True, but refer to the post above by exrunner. Just because only 26 athletes have run faster than 3:34 doesn't mean it is a fast time. 1500m indoors just like other indoor middle distance events are not run as often as outdoors. In fact the equivalent of outdoor 1500m world record of 3:26 is 3:28. Now compare 3:34 to that and you realize 3:34 is slow, more like 3:33 outdoors.
Armstronglivs wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
You’ll do well to ignore that room temperature IQ bigot’s posts in the future . Cut from the same cloth as Stormfront’s own Coevett. A sure sign someone is racist is when they can’t see Ayana (who’s never failed a test, btw) and Tefera are not the same person. It’s always “the Ethiopians”, “the Kenyans” “the East Africans” for them. What they’re really thinking is “the blacks”. And that extends to many western journalists as well, they struggle to see African runners as individuals.
When we now know that doping was endemic in the former Eastern bloc, would you have laid money on any of their athletes being clean - knowing that? Doping is rife today - world-wide. as you say - but some countries throw up more cases and suspicious indicators than others. Regrettably, Kenya is one of those more dubious countries, and the number of doping busts there in recent times cannot but throw a shadow over all of its leading athletes' performances. Doping may not be state-sponsored in Kenya, as it was in the E Bloc, but it is similarly widespread. To argue otherwise is wilful blindness. As for Ethiopia, I wouldn't give anything for trusting performances from athletes in a neighbouring country that has next-to-no doping controls and off-the-charts performances by many of its top runners. (Hullo, Jamaica also.) As for EPO used-syringes found in the coach's garbage - what can one say?
Also disregard this other nutter that thinks Kip Keino must’ve been on some cutting-edge PEDs to beat Jim Ryun in 1968.
Oh, and if Kenyan success was indeed EPO-fuelled, volumes and performances would’ve declined with increased testing starting in 2015/6. That, evidently, is not happening. If you’re holding out for a day when Kenya will fall off the distance running map like Eastern Europe and North Africa then you’re in for major disappointment .
ric flair woo wrote:
Ingebrigtsens are gods wrote:
And he was right for Tefera once again, just like in juniors last year, failed to deliver.
he failed to deliver setting a world record and winning the indoor world championships? today his only goal was to beat the kenyan guy so he could win the prize money in the tour. did he fail to deliver on that?
change your name to "I take L's"
You are delusional. You think Tefera and by extension most Africans sit around and do that kind of math? That is for lazy people like you! It is never about the money but whether you won or lost. In this case Tefera lost. Had he won the race he would have walked off with a lot more than $20K...maybe $26K.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Also, yes, there are things that will help you on race day, and which clear quickly. A great many use them.
Specifically what will clear within the hour it less it can take for anti-doping to gather a sample after the race?
Gödel's grandson is alive wrote:
ric flair woo wrote:
bro...tefera is 19
jeeez, not easy to have some discussion with a genious like you. Tefera is 19, but has set the WJR in January 2018 at age 18. This record was broken today by JI. Did you get it now, after 5 attempts?
earth to derpy derp, 19 is less than 20. thats the U20 record
[quote]Ingebrigtsens are gods wrote:
[quote]ric flair woo wrote:
[quote]Ingebrigtsens are gods wrote:
That is for lazy people like you! It is never about the money but whether you won or lost. quote]
Yeah you're totally right, Kenyans and other Africans definitely don't race for money to bring back to their poor families
Coevett wrote:
At the request of 'Spade Detector', 'exrunner' (a British ex-800m doper) and a few others, Rojo sent me an e-mail at the start of the summer threatening to ban me if I didn't stop talking about a doping problem in Kenya.
Then Kiprop was busted, then four others in 15 days or something (including Bett).
Can you email me now to show me what I sent?
That appears to be a lie. I just put your email address into gmail and did a sesarch. It shows I wrote to one of our modertaros in may saying the EXACT opposite. I wrote " Sounds like he was posting great inside info and we banned him? Why?"
So I was trying to get you unbanned. And I don't see any emails directly to you at all.
Email me what you are talking about or please correct the record:
robertjohnson@letsrun.comEl Keniano wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
When we now know that doping was endemic in the former Eastern bloc, would you have laid money on any of their athletes being clean - knowing that? Doping is rife today - world-wide. as you say - but some countries throw up more cases and suspicious indicators than others. Regrettably, Kenya is one of those more dubious countries, and the number of doping busts there in recent times cannot but throw a shadow over all of its leading athletes' performances. Doping may not be state-sponsored in Kenya, as it was in the E Bloc, but it is similarly widespread. To argue otherwise is wilful blindness. As for Ethiopia, I wouldn't give anything for trusting performances from athletes in a neighbouring country that has next-to-no doping controls and off-the-charts performances by many of its top runners. (Hullo, Jamaica also.) As for EPO used-syringes found in the coach's garbage - what can one say?
Also disregard this other nutter that thinks Kip Keino must’ve been on some cutting-edge PEDs to beat Jim Ryun in 1968.
Oh, and if Kenyan success was indeed EPO-fuelled, volumes and performances would’ve declined with increased testing starting in 2015/6. That, evidently, is not happening. If you’re holding out for a day when Kenya will fall off the distance running map like Eastern Europe and North Africa then you’re in for major disappointment .
Wilful denial is too generous a term. Let no one accuse you of being well-informed either. With athletics doping levels estimated by the IAAF and WADA at 40+ % of elites and yet busts are less than 1% it is apparent that most forms of doping - EPO included - are able to avoid detection. Regardless, it is acknowledged by WADA that Kenya has serious doping issues - which anyone but the most myopic apologist is able to see. But that's you, apparently.
As for 1968, doping wasn't "cutting edge", it had been a feature of competitive sports since the 1930's with autologous blood-doping, amongst others, possible since the 1940's. A Brit, who lost to Keino in 1966 handed back his medal after admitting to doping, but let no one suggest that it is also possible the winner could have, too. We all know Kenyans never dope and never have.
Besides the doping trolling, you gotta give the ric flair retard some kudos--he's been trolling his stupidity and getting bites for something like 6 pages.
Armstronglivs wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Also disregard this other nutter that thinks Kip Keino must’ve been on some cutting-edge PEDs to beat Jim Ryun in 1968.
Oh, and if Kenyan success was indeed EPO-fuelled, volumes and performances would’ve declined with increased testing starting in 2015/6. That, evidently, is not happening. If you’re holding out for a day when Kenya will fall off the distance running map like Eastern Europe and North Africa then you’re in for major disappointment .
Wilful denial is too generous a term. Let no one accuse you of being well-informed either. With athletics doping levels estimated by the IAAF and WADA at 40+ % of elites and yet busts are less than 1% it is apparent that most forms of doping - EPO included - are able to avoid detection. Regardless, it is acknowledged by WADA that Kenya has serious doping issues - which anyone but the most myopic apologist is able to see. But that's you, apparently.
As for 1968, doping wasn't "cutting edge", it had been a feature of competitive sports since the 1930's with autologous blood-doping, amongst others, possible since the 1940's. A Brit, who lost to Keino in 1966 handed back his medal after admitting to doping, but let no one suggest that it is also possible the winner could have, too. We all know Kenyans never dope and never have.
Which is why WADA allocates 22% of it’s worldly resources and efforts to Kenya alone. A quarter! Not saying it’s disproportionate because Kenya produces more elites than the rest of the world, but it does make one wonder about the near zero busts from Western nations as Kenyans, obviously, are accounted for in the 1% you quoted. Care to explain why virtually no one gets caught in the oh-so-tested, advanced and honest West, particularly Anglo Saxon countries?
So your point about Keino is that he was doped 50 years ago and Ryun was clean? Other than race, of course, how do you rationalise that?
^ *Sorry. The AIU, not WADA, allocates a quarter of its resources to Kenya. Same difference, though.
kinda-amused wrote:
Besides the doping trolling, you gotta give the ric flair retard some kudos--he's been trolling his stupidity and getting bites for something like 6 pages.
appreciate you bro
Ingebrigtsens are gods wrote:
ric flair woo wrote:
he failed to deliver setting a world record and winning the indoor world championships? today his only goal was to beat the kenyan guy so he could win the prize money in the tour. did he fail to deliver on that?
change your name to "I take L's"
You are delusional. That is for lazy people like you! It is never about the money but whether you won or lost.
In this race, a win for tefera is no better than finishing ahead of kibet, to win the prize money. and tefere accomplished that. yes, it was about the money this time. and yes the wins matter, but only when its an important meet like the world champs or olympics or diamond league. not world indoor circuit dusseldorf
El Keniano wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Wilful denial is too generous a term. Let no one accuse you of being well-informed either. With athletics doping levels estimated by the IAAF and WADA at 40+ % of elites and yet busts are less than 1% it is apparent that most forms of doping - EPO included - are able to avoid detection. Regardless, it is acknowledged by WADA that Kenya has serious doping issues - which anyone but the most myopic apologist is able to see. But that's you, apparently.
As for 1968, doping wasn't "cutting edge", it had been a feature of competitive sports since the 1930's with autologous blood-doping, amongst others, possible since the 1940's. A Brit, who lost to Keino in 1966 handed back his medal after admitting to doping, but let no one suggest that it is also possible the winner could have, too. We all know Kenyans never dope and never have.
Which is why WADA allocates 22% of it’s worldly resources and efforts to Kenya alone. A quarter! Not saying it’s disproportionate because Kenya produces more elites than the rest of the world, but it does make one wonder about the near zero busts from Western nations as Kenyans, obviously, are accounted for in the 1% you quoted. Care to explain why virtually no one gets caught in the oh-so-tested, advanced and honest West, particularly Anglo Saxon countries?
So your point about Keino is that he was doped 50 years ago and Ryun was clean? Other than race, of course, how do you rationalise that?
WADA allocates what would appear to be a disproportionate amount of its resources to one country - Kenya - because it is an identifiable problem. That is the only plausible rationale for the 22% you refer to.
Doping busts are far less frequent in many Western countries, because, regardless of the actual incidence of doping, the business of beating the biopassport through micro-dosing has become an advanced art, with coaching and medical teams able to provide that expertise - sophisticated and costly as it would be. The village pharmacy in Kenya is unlikely to provide that. Since the early 2000's we know that drugs can be masked and typically are. "You have to be dumb or careless to be caught" (Richard Pound, formerly WADA.) I have no more confidence that doping is under control in any Western country than it is in Africa. I doubt that an athlete could succeed now at global championship level without it.
As far as Mexico City in '68 was concerned, it was unsurprising how Ryun performed at altitude, running nearly 5 seconds off his best sea-level time. But when I saw Keino come off relatively poor performances in his prior events, as well as illness, to run a 1500 time at altitude that he never got close to at sea-level then I would have my doubts that this unparalleled feat was stimulant-free. It was miraculous. But miracles are for the religious.
LAMills wrote:
The whole sport is doomed b/c it is impossible to say who is doping and who is not.
I would say 40% chance Ingebrigtsten is doping and 30% Tefera is. Others on this board would differ on the percentages or say Tefera is more likely but I don't think that anyone would put the numbers lower than 20% for either. And that is why it is so hard to care . . .
It comforts us to say the problem is just Ethiopia or Kenya or US or Europe. We all have different positions. But the reality is that it is probably everywhere and the only difference is that in some countries 50% of the people dope and in others it is 20%.
It's just crazy to claim that Jakob is more likely to be doping that Tefera is. The only possible basis for believing that would be a deeply held racist belief that white people can run as fast as East Africans and a 17/18 year old Norweigian kid shouldn't be blowing away East African 'superhumans'.
I guess it's possible that '50% of East African runners' and '20% of Western runners' would willingly dope, but even that's unlikely given the far greater financial incentives and deeply ingrained corruption in Third World countries.
Then when you consider the appalling testing standards (where they exist at all) in Ethiopia and Kenya and the easy availability of EPO etc, then your claim is entirely ridiculous. East Africans would have to be a far more moral people than Westerners for there NOT to be a far greater doping problem in their countries.
El Keniano wrote:
logician luke wrote:
Haha I love that logic. "Remember they are from the same country, so if one of them is doping then everyone running from that country is doping."
You’ll do well to ignore that room temperature IQ bigot’s posts in the future . Cut from the same cloth as Stormfront’s own Coevett. A sure sign someone is racist is when they can’t see Ayana (who’s never failed a test, btw) and Tefera are not the same person. It’s always “the Ethiopians”, “the Kenyans” “the East Africans” for them. What they’re really thinking is “the blacks”. And that extends to many western journalists as well, they struggle to see African runners as individuals.
El K is the guy who has repeatedly called for ALL foreigners to be kicked out of Kenya, made disparaging remarks about Ethiopians being 'good for nothing', and suggested that West Africans have lower IQ than East Africans. Then he denies that there is any problem with doping in his country, and even claims that every new Kenyan doping busts somehow proves that doping is worse in other countries. Anyone who points out there is a doping problem in Kenya is slandered as a far-right racist by him.
There is no person on this board who is as genuinely racist as El K.
logician luke wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Rojo do you believe Ayana is clean? So she could run the 2nd half of a 10,000m at 14:24 (???) pace, yet days later a 5,000m at that pace was way too quick. Remember Ayana and Tefera are from the same country. If you answered No to my question, then chances are that there is some sort of short-life PED that isn't detectable but gives a momentary massive boost.
Haha I love that logic. "Remember they are from the same country, so if one of them is doping then everyone running from that country is doping."
That is the logic of Letsrun.
97 million people.
I am far more inclined to believe that Ayana is dodgy than Tefera. Tefera ran a time everyone knows is possible clean.
People just don’t time trial indoor 1500m races. So the record lasted a long time. Athletics fans know this.