Tim Cheruiyot Skipping Bislett Games Dream Mile To Plant Potatoes

This thread is a typical example of it's possible to change the final goal, only with little variations.

The real thread had to be : Timothy Cheruiyot needed to take 3 weeks after running in short time the following races :

1500m in 3'35"17 (2) Commonwealth Games in Gold Coast (14 Apr)

1500m in 3'31"48 (1) Shanghai DL (12 May)

Mile in 3'49"87 (1) Eugene DL (26 May)

1500 in 3'31"22 (1) Rome DL (31 May)

He already ran in 3'34"84 in Nairobi on 17 Feb, winning the Trials for CG.

With the system used in DL, where in the final the top 12 are admitted, and the formula is like a normal championship (the point accumulated before are useless, having the only goal to qualify one athlete in the top 12), top athletes need to chose period of training alternated with period of competition, because is not possible to compete with continuity at top level for long time. These athletes are not students of some College...

Timothy needed to win National Championships (22 Jun) for qualifying for African Championships, that are a MUST for everybody who wants to be selected in the African Team for the Intercontinental Cup.

The prize of IAAF for the winner of the Continental Cup is 30,000 USD.

The prize of IAAF for the winner of the DL final is 50,000 USD.

So, it's funny that the number one in the world at the moment, if chose to follow a technical strategy (and don't forget that in the middle of June he also ran 800m in 1'44" during Police Championships) looking at a RIGHT way to be ready for the top competitions of the year, can be considered, by somebody totally ignorant of every training base, a doped athlete, and ONLY FOR THAR REASON DIDN'T RUN ANY DL AFTER ROME.

Do you really think Thimoty didn't run DL because had to plant potatoes ?

How different could be the popular idea if the title of the thread was : "Timothy Cheruiyot has to take a period of 4 weeks out of the DL in order to increase the AEROBIC TRAINING (base for the second part of the season) and the short speed (base for winning tactical competitions). Because he can have long time free, and needs some mental regeneration after a very tough block of competitions, HE CAN USE HIS FREE TIME FOR HELPING HIS FAMILY TO PLANT POTATOES".

In this case, planting potatoes was not the reason, but a way for not becoming bored looking at training only, without competitions.

Or Kenyan athletes can't have the same problems affecting European and American (family problems, necessity of some break in the continuous preparation, enjoy to have fun together with the teammates, joy to stay some day with the family, and so and so...).

These threads become every time more ridiculous....

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El Keniano wrote:

Tim confirms he’s running Paris. Can’t wait to see if the break has done him good. Hopefully improvement will be significant.

https://twitter.com/dennisokeyo/status/1011994152555466754?s=21

Yes, it will certainly be interesting to see how fast he is with some healthy homegrown potatoes inside of him. And no doubt some Italian peas and carrots too.

so basically you are saying the threads are more ridiculous every time you chose to spray your infinite knowledge?

you were very very VERY quiet during this whole kiprop ordeal....what was it you said? something like EPO doesnt work on the top tier kenyans, or only sub elite runners use/try EPO? lolz

yes i do find it VERY suspicious that tim would brag and boast about WR in monaco, then go home to do potatoes right when the kiprop saga was at its PEAK. and now you jump in with your grandiose track knowledge (you did take 100% credit for Mo's climb to GOAT status, and this whole time even Mo said it was Al Sal), and claim a man in WR shape, needs to go home to do more aerobic base? lolz lolz lolz.....didnt realize that runners did that during the later part of the season!

so if that is the case, then he also MIGHT be having that $32 tea....aka the sauce to regain his lost aerobic fitness.

yeah lets see how his race goes

again my prediction is he doesnt break 3:31 this year, and rome will be his SB, and you and el k, and others will come to his defense with some phantom Achilles or calf strain, prob from pulling those tires up the hill like old school sprinters used to do lolz

Have you also been denied?

Trying to post about actual running.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Have you also been denied?

Trying to post about actual running.

Maybe you don't understand that, attacking me instead to look at what I wrote (and, if you can, to criticize it), you lose any

credibility, repeating every time the same attacks, instead commenting what I write in the current thread (that is based on Timothy Cheruiyot, his absence from the DL in June and the fact he plants potatoes...).

About Mo Farah, I never came here for taking merit of his explosion. My clarification came only because Coevett commented about the career of Mo without knowing what really happened. And what I wrote, is not a secret, because was Mo Farah himself to write in his autobiography. This has nothing to do with what happened in the following years, when Alberto took care of his preparation full time.

Going to the specific, I can tell you the following things :

1) If you think that an athlete running 4 times 1500m in May at top level, with the idea to attack the WR at half of July, can continue to run at max intensity WITHOUT aerobic training, you don't know anything about the methodology, and you become a SPONSOR of doping, because only taking EPO you can continue one season at high lactic level without any aerobic support. So, opposite of what you think, every top athletes needs, during the competition season, periods of aerobic "recharge", because any training of high lactic intensity, and any competition at max level, go to empty the tank of nervous and physiologic energies. If the athletes DON'T DO IT, the only way they have for maintaining a high aerobic level is to take EPO (and this is exactly what Boulami and Ramzi, for example, did).

2) I explained, in my previous post, WHY, under economical point of view, the main shape of an athlete who wants to be the number one in the world must look at the period of August - beginning of September. The most important competitions are there, and you need to win 5 Diamonds League for having the same amount of money you can have winning the IAAF final only. Maybe you don't have problems of money, but the best Kenyans have, and have to take care of this SMALL particular

3) Last thing, I consider NOT ACCEPTABLE this climate of suspicion around ANY situation involving African athletes.

I don't change my idea that EPO doesn't work for athletes with proper training in altitude.

The fact somebody THINKS possible to have advantages, and for that reason takes some PED, doesn't mean the most part of athletes cant achieve their results without any external aid.

About Asbel, of sure he didn't need any help for running 3'27", looking at his talent. But it's a fact he, year after year, became lazy, in direction of every training of Aerobic Power, and, how already explained in the past, his value running 8 km fast was, in 2017, about 2 minutes slower than in 2007. If, I repeat if (because in his situation there are too many particulars really strange : if you know are positive, and you know tomorrow you can be tested, why in simple way you don't go in your village, so the officials don't find you and you have only a "missed test" ?) he really took EPO, this was in the WORST period of his career, when he had the LOWER aerobic level of all his career, so again was the attempt to recover a basic level high enough for supporting his hard lactic workouts, that in all 2017 he NEVER DID.

Finally, I'm not impressed if Timothy Cheruiyot doesn't break the WR in Monaco, because I think he can't still be able to run 3'26". What the athletes say in the press is not something connected with doping, but the most part of times with hopes and over evaluation of their real possibilities. When there are Olympics, how many athletes in some interview talk about "I want gold" in the same event, but at the end only one is the winner ? Also Elijah Manangoi at the beginning of the season put the WR at the top of his interest, but after got injured and till now was still not able to fully recovery.

Or, mindweak, for you also injuries depends on doping ?

Lol I've been banned what a farce

Any unbiased person who is capable of rational thought would find it hard to accept that when these dirty cheats get busted, that it's a case of one short period of 'weak mind disease'.

When these filthy sport ruiners get busted (which is very difficult to do, particularly for the protected nations) it's almost certain that they have been dishonest and fraudulent from the moment they first met their Italian doctor/coach/manager.

+1

Probably won't be fast.

https://twitter.com/tim_cheruiyot/status/1012376324705607680

Coevett wrote:

[quote]Tim doesn't break 3:30 this year, even at Monaco.

An easy 3:29.71 in Paris. Well, that's your fortunetelling business in shambles, I suppose.

El Keniano wrote:

Coevett wrote:

[quote]Tim doesn't break 3:30 this year, even at Monaco.

An easy 3:29.71 in Paris. Well, that's your fortunetelling business in shambles, I suppose.

What was the cocktail he drank?

Sledge_hammer wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

An easy 3:29.71 in Paris. Well, that's your fortunetelling business in shambles, I suppose.

What was the cocktail he drank?

Now, now. Here's some bitter to wash down that crow.

El Keniano wrote:

Sledge_hammer wrote:

What was the cocktail he drank?

Now, now. Here's some bitter to wash down that crow.

Lol, wake me up when he runs 3:26 in Monaco as he promised and goes the next 12 mònths without failing a test.

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Now, now. Here's some bitter to wash down that crow.

Lol, wake me up when he runs 3:26 in Monaco as he promised and goes the next 12 mònths without failing a test.

Oh come on, admit when you were wrong.

Sub 3:30 as many including myself said would happen this year.

You and mindweak keep changing the rules. First it was nobody under 3:33 this year, then it was changed to next year, then nobody under 3:30 this year, now it's 3:26?

What are you smoking? Nothing in this sport has changed following the Kiprop bust, as I said it wouldn't. Today we had one guy under 3:30 and a bunch running 3:31/3:32 because the pace was pushed from the start. Everything is the same, Kiprop is just removed.

You and mindweak need to pretend you never said anything about elites not running under 3:33, or that 3:35 is an elite time.

Laughable. Everyone told you this would happen. Just keep backpedaling all the way off this site.

Mindweak, this is what you betted in the above post :

"yes i do find it VERY suspicious that tim would brag and boast about WR in monaco, then go home to do potatoes right when the kiprop saga was at its PEAK. and now you jump in with your grandiose track knowledge (you did take 100% credit for Mo's climb to GOAT status, and this whole time even Mo said it was Al Sal), and claim a man in WR shape, needs to go home to do more aerobic base? lolz lolz lolz.....didnt realize that runners did that during the later part of the season!

so if that is the case, then he also MIGHT be having that $32 tea....aka the sauce to regain his lost aerobic fitness.

yeah lets see how his race goes

again my prediction is he doesnt break 3:31 this year, and rome will be his SB, and you and el k, and others will come to his defense with some phantom Achilles or calf strain, prob from pulling those tires up the hill like old school sprinters used to do lolz"

Your words can show the following facts only :

1- You think to know something about athletics, methodology and Kenya, but unfortunately for you everytime you write something (and with you Coevett) the only thing you can show is your total ignorance about the argument you want to speak about

2- You are not able to analyse anything, because refuse to know the facts at the base of the analysis. For example, you and all the other SPECIFIC ignorant about athletics, using some stupid "irony" for kidding athletes or every other person not thinking like you, of course don't know that, in June, in Kenya there was the following calendar, with ALL competitions where ALL the top athletes had to run :

From 6 to 8 : Kenya Defence Forces

From 11 to 12 : National Trial for World Junior Champs

From 13 to 14 : Police Championships

From 15 to 16 : Prisons Championships

From 21 to 23 : National Championships (a must if the athlete wants to be selected for African Champs, that is a must if the athlete wants to represent Africa in the Continental Cup).

All these Championships have to be organized IN THE SAME TRACK (Kasarani), at the moment the only synthetic track available in Kenya.

Coming back to Timothy Cheruiyot, he had to run in Prisons Champs (won 800m in 1'44"74 on 16th, after an easy heats on 15th) and won 1500m in Nationals with 3'34"32 on 23rd, after a heat in 3'46" on 21st.

This means that, while he was at home for planting potatoes, he ran 4 races between 15th and 23rd, with the results of 1'44"74 and of 3'34"32 in altitude, not bad for somebody who as first job is a countryman.

3- You are laughable when try to explain WHEN the doping can help (during the base period), without knowing what base period means. Maybe you have a lot of books of Lydiard, but athletics of today is different, and also about Lydiard probably you were not able to understand his system, having (like about doping) your idea about his system, and trying to adapt the reality to your vision, not your vision to the reality.

4- You never were able to reply to any my post speaking about methodology. Your only reply was to attack me for something that was not part of the discussion, repeating thousands times the same post, with the doping of the athletes of Rosa, with the same discussions about Paula Radcliffe, with the same stupidities about the advantages of EPO in every distance (and there really it's clear you don't understand anything about the real athletics, thinking the increased percentage of transporting oxygen in a top athlete can be the same of people undergoing dialysis for kidney disease, who of course have the same training and the same ability to work of the record holders). In other terms, your total ignorance becomes more evident, everytime you spend time for writing some post.

I hope you can have the dignity to be silent for some time, in order to expiate your nonsenses and the tedium you provoke in all the posters.

Good luck, have a nice resting period.

How come the IAAF has no known data on this guy prior to (his fake) age of 20? Trust me, nobody can suddenly take up running at "19" and within a year run 3:34.

Renato Canova wrote:

3- You are laughable when try to explain WHEN the doping can help (during the base period), without knowing what base period means. Maybe you have a lot of books of Lydiard, but athletics of today is different, and also about Lydiard probably you were not able to understand his system, having (like about doping) your idea about his system, and trying to adapt the reality to your vision, not your vision to the reality.

No running hasn't changed at all, what has changed is firstly the use of transfusions and then the wonder drug epo. Suddenly athletes changed from having to maximize stroke volume and the capillarization process to where distance runners did one tempo run per week and spent the rest of their time running reps and focusing on speed work. You can only do this if you are doing a combination of epo and a muscle recovery drug.