You're really off your game tonight...or should I say you're on your game, since your game is so lame...
You believe that a 60, 60, 60 and 50 if evened out is worth a 56, 56, 56 and 56? What planet are you on? I have said it is worth a 56.8, 56.8, 56.8 and 56.8. IF you are willing to give more it is proof of your inability to deal with reality.
you are a complete f***ing idiot with no clue about athletics at all
if you asked a raw college kid here with no math skills at all :
"if a guy runs 3'50 with a finishing 50s, what about even pace time ?"
& offered 3'47, you'd be hazed out the joint
even a complete moron knows 3'47 is a ludicrous answer
my method is in the archives based on oxford physicists
show me your "method" - i like jokes
lololol "your prediction doesn't perfect match mine therefore you're a complete f***ing idiot"
translated:
"anyone who disagrees with anything i say is a complete f***ing idiot because i am the smartest man in the world and only my opinion counts"
ventolin^3 wrote:
my method is in the archives based on oxford physicists
Your method was using an abacus which you found in the jungle in Kenya...I deal with hard science, not floppy dicks like you.
I see the problem here.Jennifer --ventolin's altered ego-- is unhappy with ventolin's performance. He is not rising to the occasion. Ventolin thinks that slowing down near the end is acceptable. Using his method he can add several inches to his performance.Jennifer strongly disagrees with Ventolin. Slowing down means floppiness. Maintaining hard speed is what increases performance.Ventolin must increase his performance by several inches. That is the only way to reach deep inside Jennifer.
jennifer cruz wrote: ...I deal with hard science, not floppy dicks like you.
Please look at the 300m splits. They're both at ~31.7 (mj at 31.66). It's unfathomable to me that anyone could consider Watts's 43.71 run to have more potential than MJ's 43.18, especially considering that MJ had better speed and endurance. You probably don't believe in the saying "you're not going to beat MJ by beating him to 200m."MJ split a faster 31.55 in '95 but only got 43.39. Watts ran a hair faster in the barcelona final and basically died to finish at 43.5. In Barcelona (semi and final), Watts looked like a guy who spewed his load and held on for dear life. If you can't go beyond split times to actually analyze how he was running that 100-200m, then no one can help you.
ventolin^3 wrote:
there are no splits for this but final was given as
20.9/22.6
( mj as 21.22/21.96 )
the fastest 200 split ever listed is fred at 20.5 in his '76 run of 44.40 when he tried to run away from caballo but failed
i looked at watts race & using the 20.9 as "marker distance" to compare vids, it looks like he split 20.7 !
this is more remarkable as he had 0.35s rt - 0.2s too slow
morally, that 200 was = fastest split ever run at 20.5
in other terms :
- his 200 was actually ~ 5m up on mj in 43.18wr
- his 200 was morally ~ 7m up on mj in 43.18wr
it is not a surprise watts eased the last 200, but to run a high-43 off that split is virtually inconceivable - upto 7m faster than mj woud risk
it can be estimated what watt's moral :
20.5/23.0 for 43.5 off an expected 0.15s rt ( remember he also eased off at the finish ) woud be with instead of wild 2.5s differential, the usual 1.0s one, but at the moment this threas doesn't deserve it
jennifer cruz wrote:Your method was using an abacus which you found in the jungle in Kenya...I deal with hard science, not floppy dicks like you.
f***ing ignorant moron
you can't even do basic science
an imbecile who thinks 60/60/60/50 flattened out is only worth 3'47.2 has no clue about science or the sport
you piss-ant are wasting my time
Okay, I'll play wrote:Please look at the 300m splits. They're both at ~31.7 (mj at 31.66)[quote]
considering watts split ~ 20.7 & mj 21.22, for watts to hold on for a similar 300 split is magnificent - he went out too fast & most elites wouda been lucky to break 44.5 off that split, providing
[quote]It's unfathomable to me that anyone could consider Watts's 43.71 run to have more potential than MJ's 43.18
you clearly have no clue between the relative expenditure of 20.7/23.0 & 21.22/21.96
especially considering that MJ had better speed and endurance
err...
same applied to him over butch & he went 43.29
You probably don't believe in the saying "you're not going to beat MJ by beating him to 200m."
no
i believe in running your own race, not someone else's
MJ split a faster 31.55 in '95 but only got 43.39. Watts ran a hair faster in the barcelona final and basically died to finish at 43.5
considering he was probably wasted by putting in a wr effort in the semi, it was remarkable he held on to a 43.5 in the final - he admitted it after
In Barcelona (semi and final), Watts looked like a guy who spewed his load and held on for dear life
see above
If you can't go beyond split times to actually analyze how he was running that 100-200m, then no one can help you
your analysis is nonsense
split times are not just "pretty numbers" to look at, they numbers to do some analysis with
you clearly can't
analysis based on energy expenditure
mj ran 43.18 controlled flat-out with normal rt & best split differential i've seen of 0.74s when 1s is usually the aim for 21.22/21.96
watts split ~ 20.7/23.0 in semi with appalling rt of 0.35 when 0.15 - 0.2s wouda been expected
20.7/23.0 with same split differential of 0.74s ->21.37/22.11 for 43.48 & losing about 0.1s for easing off at the end
his time therefore wouda been ~ 43.40
now, factor in appalling rt of 0.35s, when he shouda expected upto 0.2s faster on any normal day ( you were allowed 2 false starts in those days iirc )
this gives splits of
20.5/23.0 for 43.5
20.5/23.0 with same split differential of 0.74s ->21.24/21.98 for 43.22 & losing about 0.1s for easing off at the end
his time therefore wouda been ~ 43.1+
given normal 0.15s - 0.2s rt & running 0.74s differential & running hard to the line
his semi run in terms of intrinsic energy expenditure was at the very worst on a par with mj's 43.18wr
even if all this is true, that still doesn't make it the greatest 400 ever. you could say its the greatest potential 400, but the greatest 400 is still the wr
He lost the final, so obviously he struggled despite showing it.
Anyone else skip 10 pages just to find them still bitching at eachother?
ventolin^3 wrote:we can get very good idea of what [Komen] couda potentially run for 5k [in Rieti] using tools out there
Well, taking your own formula as one of the tools out there it gives 12:40 for a guy with 3:30 1500m ability and you said
[quoteit [giving 7:20 for a guy with 3:30/12:40 credentials] is the "acid" test for all methodolgy ![/quote]
So using your own formulas I can only conclude, that he would have run 12:40 that day.
This is like arguing with ventolin^3:
I skipped all the way to the end. Jennifer and Ventolin have obviously shot their wads already. They are making out now, which is interesting, or odd, because they are the same person.
Entertainingly sad wrote:
This is like arguing with ventolin^3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh33bGAxl58
The final "hee hawws" are exactly like Wentolin's constant "moron" opening words he uses all the time.
ringo wrote:
Anyone else skip 10 pages just to find them still bitching at eachother?
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
You can lead a horse's ass to water, but you cannot make him think. He is never more recalcitrant in his viewpoint than when he is most misguided. He does not understand rudimentary mathematics. Ventolin has never been able to answer direct questions. He just filibusters out of insecurity and fear...
I suppose I could pick any race from the past and state it was the best ever, just because it felt like it...no need for facts, just some wishful thinking and fantasy and voila, it was the best ever...
laughable !
f***ing moron
show me some methodology based on hard physics which gives 60/60/60/50 for your derisory 3'47.2 evened-out
you haven't a clue about basic mathematics or physics
pick any race ?
not only have you no clue about maths/physics, you have no f***ing clue about history of the sport
for years, the dedicated fans have wondered about fred's incredible 20.5/23.9 for 44.40 when he just got passed by caballo in his low-altitude wr of 44.26
fans have numerous times asked if he hadn't gone out in a suicidal 20.5, which is still "wr 200 split" in an elite 400 race, but more like low/mid-21 for "standard" 1.0 - 1.5s differential what he couda run that day if he had the chance again, knowing no one ran faster than 44.26 'til butch's 44.10, 11 long years later
impress me moron
what coud fred have run that day as orthodoxy dicates ?
do they think that if hicham had lined up for the 800 final in '99, kip wouda thought :
"no threat - he's just a 1'47 guy !"
So why did he not run then or on any other time, scared to get beat? Hardly admirable
MJ ran the greatest 400m
You seem to rate potential over actually doing have you ever actually run yourself?
considering that Michael Johnson was the greatest 200m runner until Usain Bolt, at 19.32, and he ran 43.18, his endurance was actually less than guys like Watts and Butch Reynolds.