NXN 2024 at-large bids

California merge shows girls 3 and 4 are so far off 1 and 2 that it isn’t funny.

No, Santiago is in Trabuco’s division, which is the strongest team in the nation. Santiago team combined actually ran the course faster than JSierra, fact.

I posted that before Serra ran. I think neither should get an at large. They're way way way way back of the first 2.

Don’t be so obtuse. Look at the times in which the teams finished.

Taylorsville is such an elite team. They run the same NXR as Herriman - just the gold flakes of magic alone that spill onto them should earn them a NXN bid as the 4th place team. There top 5 were so dominant - they would conquer all other NXR's. I love Taylorsville so much! The NXR SW course was hard for a golf course - and they just went out an crushed it dominating all but three teams in the most stacked region EVER. Taylorsville is just super awesome - GO WARRIORS!

Because the first two would crush any team in the country on any given day. California is that strong.

Go look at course differences. Macy Wingard averaged 17 low all year long (qualified for Foot Locker today) but she ran 18 low at OSU. Bridgeland girls won there.

The courses matter. Most of the California courses are BS.

Data Nerd is a Rocky adjacent poster.

The only reason why NXR may run slower than Firman is because it's after the season and kids are doing whatever for training.

Rocky's entire argument rests on Crater's #1 completely bombing, which is essentially the same as Great Oak's runner get DQ'd. Even if Great Oak's #1 didn't get DQ'd, they would have been 5th at best today in the merge and Rocky's win over them was when they were missing Westin Brown, who was their #3 today. Rocky's win over Great Oak is going to carry exactly zero weight and it shouldn't and I'm sure Rich will account for the fact that they were missing a key scorer.

At the end of the day, Rocky Mountain still hasn't beaten anyone and is refusing to travel to actually race any teams of note. A meet calendar of 1. a small meet in eastern Idaho that doesn't have a single team that trophies at any classification, 2. a low level invite in eastern Idaho the same weekend they were registered at Timpanogos (which they pulled out of), 3. a dual against a team that doesn't qualify for their state meet, 4. an invite on a school campus that isn't commonly run on an unknown course, 5. Bob Firman, 6. a tri meet against teams the team they had a dual against and a team that qualified for state but didn't have their state champ runner, 7. their district meet, and 8. the state meet where they get crushed is NOT a meet calendar that shows who they are.

Saying they have the #1 Hoka time isn't the flex you think it is when the criticism is that they run great when they don't race anyone but the second they are up against someone real they aren't anywhere near the win. Cool, they ran fast at a time trial. That doesn't mean they have actually done anything to prove they belong.

Their win at Firman in 2022 wasn't great because the schools that finished 2 and 3 in that were not relevant at NXR SW, so they still didn't have any sort of signature win.

Rocky Mountain drove 6.5 hours to race those two meets in eastern Idaho and did travel their entire squad for both. They couldn't travel 6 hours just once to actually race some level of competition?

Looking at the teams, how they did in each NXR and state meets I predict for girls: CA gets 1, SW gets 1, South 1, and SE 1. Makes many regions happy....so many good teams. You cant look at just rankings and they make no sense. Flower mound beat so many ahead of them in dyestat ranking and could podium at NXN or even win. Excited to see what is decided!

Flower Mound won Woodbridge yet they are "ranked" lower...so dumb

If Trabuco doesn’t win the whole thing, I’ll change my handle on this thread, should I return.

When do we think the at large teams will be announced?

I wouldn’t put much stock in Woodbridge. Air Academy was without their #1/2, #4, #5 runners at Woodbridge.
Chamara Cooper (floats between 1-2), Mariah Hook (#4) Lauren Meyers (#5)
A full strength AA would have won Woodbridge and will finish top 3 at NXN.

This is the only correct answer.

This right here. California courses like woodbridge are on flat fields, not saying they’re all like that. BUT the OSU course that bridgeland ran at and won is the toughest college course in the nation. (And they still ran fast times).

Woodward Park is not a flat field... Neither is Mt Sac... But yes lots of California courses, especially Southern Section courses, are on flat soccer parks or road and hard dirt.

As someone associated with Rocky XC, I'd like to bring some clarifications. The boys team was robbed in 2022 from an at-large spot (they were, Bob Firman win, Idaho State meet record obliterated, 3rd at NXR: Crater-75 Jesuit-101 Rocky-129, Jesuit 2nd and Crater 4th at Nationals,). Coach Jeff Howard reached out to the selection committee to see what they could have done better and got a response after NXN along the lines of "not hot enough" and big wins such as Firman "didn't matter". Since that time coach Howard has had the mindset that no matter what the team does during the season is not going to matter, accepting that if they are going to NXN it will be from auto-qualifying. Essentially, at-large bids are out of your hands no matter what you do. After placing outside the top 2 the past 2 years the general team reaction has been "Alright we did not make it" with very slim hopes that they are selected because just like any other 3rd or 4th team technically its possible. Coach Howard and the team trust that they have the capability to auto-qualify, which was showcased this year on the girls side, its just never lined up for the guys.

anyone know when the bids are being announced?