get one with some damn experience though geez stop just hiring they have females with experience out here
She DOES have experience... she was a GA for the past year LIKE SO MANY OTHER new coaches. And it looks like she successfully networked and mustve known people or sean directly. This is how you get jobs: get a masters + experience + connections.
So I guess she's not just beautiful BUT SMART TOO -- that must really piss off our small dick LR community.
Trust me you have no clue wtf you talking about she is a female she don’t need all that she’s not a P4 level coach even if she is a stopwatch holder she is getting paid decent money and the P4 experience without having prior experience to match. I could have applied and not get a chance and I guarantee you my experience trumps hers no problem. If I wasn’t already where I want to be I would be bothered but this is where our sport is at
You're off your rocker if you think Western, Northern CO, Adams, and Mesa have similar academics to CU Boulder. The RMAC except for mines is not good.
UCCS is decent. Mines is probably better than Boulder, but they only have engineering.
1. Detail the expected 2024 CU cross country roster, including transfers in. Please name names. Will there be a roster limit of 17?
2. Can the cut guys cobble together a Boulder runner/lawyer to do pro bono work and file suit not against the cut, but against the TIMING of the cut?
3. Can the cut guys (mostly Colo natives) complain to Boulder area state senator, CU Board of Regents, etc.?
4. Can the cut guys get a sympathy story in the Boulder Tattler?
Again, the travesty here is the TIMING of the cuts.
sure you can but why? what's the desired outcome? to not be cut now but cut in Jan? or June?
the timing really is horrible. i cant imagine going through that at that age. you're all jazzed up about running for THE Mark Wetmore and CU and now you are out on your azz.
Carlson's college PRs are slower than the high school PRs of all of the guys who are gone.
Nick Saban only played a couple years in college so should he not have coached. This is a job for these kids if you can’t perform you get fired from your job. With roster caps coming you can’t keep everyone just to say you’re a nice guy. One thing we can all say about Carlson is that he can flat recruit and he has no option but to perform at Colorado because he will have a short leash.
Carlson's college PRs are slower than the high school PRs of all of the guys who are gone.
Nick Saban only played a couple years in college so should he not have coached. This is a job for these kids if you can’t perform you get fired from your job. With roster caps coming you can’t keep everyone just to say you’re a nice guy. One thing we can all say about Carlson is that he can flat recruit and he has no option but to perform at Colorado because he will have a short leash.
From the self proclaimed and famous interview “I recruit and develop Americans.” Sean Carlson has cut 9 American men from the Colorado roster, without an attempt to develop the athletes at all. Colorado is known for having their American runners being built and trained to be tough as nails.
Charlie Welch Alex Baca Benjamin Greene Nolan Hoffman Evan Charkut Stefan Haug Jack Nauman Jacob Culig Jake Derouin
Another power hungry coach that doesn’t care about his image of being a good coach vs buying a roster. I guess Carlson has decided to follow the wave of the foreign train. Unfortunately it seems the glory days of Covid are in the past.
What do my fellow Buff Alum think about this mass exodus of athletes from Colorado?
what moronic BS is this? i just don't get it. first of all there's no reason except for sheer laziness and incompetence to not keep them on the roster. if they don't get scholarship money, ok, fine, who cares, but XC and track and the cheapest sports, money cannot possibly be an issue. i say again there is no reason to do this beyond laziness and incompetence, even if the walk-ons were unlikely to contribute.
which brings us to the second point: walk-ons routinely turn out to be all americans. not everyone peaks at age 17. hard workers improve. you are shooting yourself in the foot if you do this.
so not only is he cowardly, he's stupid too.
i've never heard of this Carlborne guy, what is he doing at a powerhouse like Colorado, again?
From the self proclaimed and famous interview “I recruit and develop Americans.” Sean Carlson has cut 9 American men from the Colorado roster, without an attempt to develop the athletes at all. Colorado is known for having their American runners being built and trained to be tough as nails.
Charlie Welch Alex Baca Benjamin Greene Nolan Hoffman Evan Charkut Stefan Haug Jack Nauman Jacob Culig Jake Derouin
Another power hungry coach that doesn’t care about his image of being a good coach vs buying a roster. I guess Carlson has decided to follow the wave of the foreign train. Unfortunately it seems the glory days of Covid are in the past.
What do my fellow Buff Alum think about this mass exodus of athletes from Colorado?
what moronic BS is this? i just don't get it. first of all there's no reason except for sheer laziness and incompetence to not keep them on the roster. if they don't get scholarship money, ok, fine, who cares, but XC and track and the cheapest sports, money cannot possibly be an issue. i say again there is no reason to do this beyond laziness and incompetence, even if the walk-ons were unlikely to contribute.
which brings us to the second point: walk-ons routinely turn out to be all americans. not everyone peaks at age 17. hard workers improve. you are shooting yourself in the foot if you do this.
so not only is he cowardly, he's stupid too.
i've never heard of this Carlborne guy, what is he doing at a powerhouse like Colorado, again?
See kids…avoid all the drama that comes with being on Colorado XC
go to real programs like NAU, BYU, OSU, etc and avoid the nastiness and BS
Carlson's college PRs are slower than the high school PRs of all of the guys who are gone.
Nick Saban only played a couple years in college so should he not have coached. This is a job for these kids if you can’t perform you get fired from your job. With roster caps coming you can’t keep everyone just to say you’re a nice guy. One thing we can all say about Carlson is that he can flat recruit and he has no option but to perform at Colorado because he will have a short leash.
You are not 100% wrong, and some people can go through life with that exact mentality. They leave a wake of destruction behind them and justify their actions however they chose, and damn the consequences to the other people.
I know the saying is "Nice guys finish last." but if you do chose to be a decent, civil human to others, at least you can sleep at night. At least you are respected and not hated, that has to have a benefit at some point. Call it Karma, call it just being a decent person or whatever, but it counts for something.
Not at all. Try to read the string. Somebody claimed that his assistant can't relate to faster runners. I showed that the head coach also does not have fast PRs but has coached at ND, Tennessee, and now CU.
youre first mistake was listening to the blue oval podcast
While I disagree with the choices Carlson has made at CU, it’s not a terrible hire. Additionally, the stride report guys are typically pretty in the know, especially there podcast
youre first mistake was listening to the blue oval podcast
While I disagree with the choices Carlson has made at CU, it’s not a terrible hire. Additionally, the stride report guys are typically pretty in the know, especially there podcast
Yes. And they have a pretty good feel of the pulse of NCAA XC.
..... and I'm not one of their dads promoting them.
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Looks like Carlson has found a very qualified assistant to follow him to Boulder. Looks like he may be more like Wetmore than we anticipated. Selecting young female athletes to be assistants with no credentials on or off the track! I wonder if his wife will be happy about this?
This is really cringy to hire someone like this. Poor wife
It will be ok. When her boyfriend or girlfriend breaks up with her, I am sure he will take her out for ice cream like he promises recruits on their visits!
A business can lose money for an extended period of time. For well over 10 years Twitter had net losses on the order of 100s of millions of dollars. Not to mention non profits.
It is a bad analogy anyway. Sports like xc are more like a marketing department for a company than a standalone business. They are not expected to directly generate revenue. Nike doesn’t pay athletes millions of dollars because they own running stores directly selling shoes.
It is misguided at best to think XC should behave like some sort of standalone business.
I think perhaps the business analogy is getting lost on people, so here's a simpler way to look at it. For everyone on here who has a job - your employer has set expectations for what you are supposed to do, achieve, etc. You almost certainly have performance reviews to determine if you're meeting them and what you can do differently to achieve them. Ultimately what they expect from you is what you have to do.
Coaches are expected to win. Now many schools have specific focuses - conference championships, nationals, whatever they decide the expectation is. Admins (or good ones) do not micromanage their coaches. They give them free reign to run their program how they see fit to achieve these goals. If that means cutting kids - they'll cut them. If that means replacing your staff - you replace them. We see this every day in the large, marquee sports. Seeing it in a sport like cross country strikes you as mean, wrong, etc. Why?
My theory is: because our sport until you get to college is a freebie. No one is trying out for cross country or track. It's an all comers situation. We love participation. But that isn't big time P4 athletics, and that is what Colorado is.
Someone else pointed out that there will still be programs that take time and develop kids - and that's true. It will be more the G5, mid major programs. The P4 is really moving toward how football and basketball operate - we expect results and we expect them now. Unreasonable? There are absolutely AD's who have no clue and don't understand it's not REALLY feasible but it doesn't change the job of the coach to at least try and appease.
Patience is a dying commodity in our society which is really the sad part of all of this.
I'm just not 100% sure that the primary job of most coaches is to win. Let's take the example of Sean Brosnan at UCLA. His primary job was to run a nominal cross-country / track program while not taking resources from the football team and not causing trouble. He made recruiting moves that were legal and improved the team but were dodgy enough to draw scrutiny. That's a headache for the AD, so Brosnan gets sacked, because the job was to lay low, not create a great team.
I think a lot of athletic departments run this way.
My point is maybe Boulder doesn't care anymore if they have a great XC team. Maybe current decisions are motivated by altogether different considerations that we know nothing about. I'm just speculating..