TUOHY SCRATCHES 5000

Toughen Up wrote:

Slo-Jo wrote:

I completely agree with this.

I have been one of the down voters of every "woulda coulda" post that astro has made about the 5000. It is completely inappropriate. Parker Valby won that race. 15:30 in that heat was a fast time. She is the legitimate winner. Parker went all-in on the 5K. Touhy made a different decision, and that decision rendered her a no-show. That is what actually happened yesterday, and Parker Valby deserves 100% credit for running a great race and winning her first NCAA championship. She toed the line after a season of injury against a talented field and she made it happen. I enjoyed watching her win. She was totally deserving. Astro, I usually enjoy your comments, but injecting a Tuohy fantasy into Parker's moment is just flat tacky. Just stop, please. Tuohy didn't show so it doesn't matter what she might have done. She didn't. Parker did. End of story.

Mia Ramsden ran a superb race. She executed that 1500 pretty perfectly, and she gained from Tuohy's foolishness. Tuohy should have known from Wake Forest how starting out that fast would end for her. She flew too close to the sun this time. It happens. But Mia Ramsden deserves a lot of credit for winning big against that stacked field.

I am finding myself perplexed by the events yesterday. Everything that happened was 100% predictable by this armchair fan, so it should have been apparent to Tuohy and Henes. When she declared for both events I assumed she was sitting on something truly special. They knew the 1500 field was loaded. They knew the race was in Austin in June. They knew she would have to run fast in the 1500 to have any chance. All of this was apparent from the onset. She made this decision. It turned out to be a poor decision. This 1500 played out very similar to her 1500 at Wake Forest. She knew how starting too fast would end for her. I just don't understand the decision making here. Henes now has the distinction as the first coach to take a talent like Tuohy and produce an incredibly poor result. What she is doing with that very talented team does not seem to be working.

I think less of Tuohy for not showing up for the 5000. She put this out there. She knew the conditions. There was nothing wrong with her. She was butt-hurt and did not want to lose to Parker. Showing up and giving her best and seeing her commitment through would have been the classy thing to do. Instead, she basically gets credit as a ghost runner from rabid fans and takes away the spotlight from the deserving winner. Declaring this double was a bad decision, but it was her decision and she had all of the facts going in and she had an obligation to see the thing through.

The woman who lost a spot because of this (13th at regionals) was Savannah Shaw, her teammate and a senior. I think that really sucks.

I am still a fan, but I would have had some serious respect for her showing up and not dodging the loss. Parker Valby crushed it. She ran that race on pure heart and she deserves all of the credit due for winning an NCAA championship. Parker was the one who showed up at 9:55 ready to go, and Tuohy didn't through her own decisions. Britton Wilson showed up. She saw her commitment through. That is class.

Post of the year. I’d give it a 100 likes if I could. Part of being a great champion is knowing how to lose with grace and dignity when it’s not your day.

Wise Old Man wrote:

Troll patrol wrote:

Thank you for writing such a positive post! Much needed around here. No where near this level of competition but I remember taking an 800 out way too hard in 100 degree temps once and it did not end well. Running on pure hate did not save me.

Completely forgot that Jacobs scratched the men’s 5000. Hope all is well with him - great runner.

So this is interesting, Jacobs and his coach (after his difficult 10k race two days prior) made a decision to scratch the 5k. Coach Henes and Tuohy made the decision to scratch her from the 5000 which was only about 90 min after her 1500. No one is saying anything about Jacobs but it’s different in Tuohy’s situation somehow? What am I missing here?

What’s different is that nobody is posting that Jacobs “gifted” the 5000 to Robinson and that of course Jacobs would have won it if he ran it fresh.

Slo-Jo wrote:

I completely agree with this.

I have been one of the down voters of every "woulda coulda" post that astro has made about the 5000. It is completely inappropriate. Parker Valby won that race. 15:30 in that heat was a fast time. She is the legitimate winner. Parker went all-in on the 5K. Touhy made a different decision, and that decision rendered her a no-show. That is what actually happened yesterday, and Parker Valby deserves 100% credit for running a great race and winning her first NCAA championship. She toed the line after a season of injury against a talented field and she made it happen. I enjoyed watching her win. She was totally deserving. Astro, I usually enjoy your comments, but injecting a Tuohy fantasy into Parker's moment is just flat tacky. Just stop, please. Tuohy didn't show so it doesn't matter what she might have done. She didn't. Parker did. End of story.

Mia Ramsden ran a superb race. She executed that 1500 pretty perfectly, and she gained from Tuohy's foolishness. Tuohy should have known from Wake Forest how starting out that fast would end for her. She flew too close to the sun this time. It happens. But Mia Ramsden deserves a lot of credit for winning big against that stacked field.

I am finding myself perplexed by the events yesterday. Everything that happened was 100% predictable by this armchair fan, so it should have been apparent to Tuohy and Henes. When she declared for both events I assumed she was sitting on something truly special. They knew the 1500 field was loaded. They knew the race was in Austin in June. They knew she would have to run fast in the 1500 to have any chance. All of this was apparent from the onset. She made this decision. It turned out to be a poor decision. This 1500 played out very similar to her 1500 at Wake Forest. She knew how starting too fast would end for her. I just don't understand the decision making here. Henes now has the distinction as the first coach to take a talent like Tuohy and produce an incredibly poor result. What she is doing with that very talented team does not seem to be working.

I think less of Tuohy for not showing up for the 5000. She put this out there. She knew the conditions. There was nothing wrong with her. She was butt-hurt and did not want to lose to Parker. Showing up and giving her best and seeing her commitment through would have been the classy thing to do. Instead, she basically gets credit as a ghost runner from rabid fans and takes away the spotlight from the deserving winner. Declaring this double was a bad decision, but it was her decision and she had all of the facts going in and she had an obligation to see the thing through.

The woman who lost a spot because of this (13th at regionals) was Savannah Shaw, her teammate and a senior. I think that really sucks.

I am still a fan, but I would have had some serious respect for her showing up and not dodging the loss. Parker Valby crushed it. She ran that race on pure heart and she deserves all of the credit due for winning an NCAA championship. Parker was the one who showed up at 9:55 ready to go, and Tuohy didn't through her own decisions. Britton Wilson showed up. She saw her commitment through. That is class.

Slo-Jo wrote:

bigmig19 wrote:

No. She finished DNS. She doesn't get credit for coulda woulda. She could have "grinded" (as all the apologists call it) her way to 3rd place and big points in 5k, walk over and shake the champs hand. Then we would talking about class on rough day.

I completely agree with this.

I have been one of the down voters of every "woulda coulda" post that astro has made about the 5000. It is completely inappropriate. Parker Valby won that race. 15:30 in that heat was a fast time. She is the legitimate winner. Parker went all-in on the 5K. Touhy made a different decision, and that decision rendered her a no-show. That is what actually happened yesterday, and Parker Valby deserves 100% credit for running a great race and winning her first NCAA championship. She toed the line after a season of injury against a talented field and she made it happen. I enjoyed watching her win. She was totally deserving. Astro, I usually enjoy your comments, but injecting a Tuohy fantasy into Parker's moment is just flat tacky. Just stop, please. Tuohy didn't show so it doesn't matter what she might have done. She didn't. Parker did. End of story.

Mia Ramsden ran a superb race. She executed that 1500 pretty perfectly, and she gained from Tuohy's foolishness. Tuohy should have known from Wake Forest how starting out that fast would end for her. She flew too close to the sun this time. It happens. But Mia Ramsden deserves a lot of credit for winning big against that stacked field.

I am finding myself perplexed by the events yesterday. Everything that happened was 100% predictable by this armchair fan, so it should have been apparent to Tuohy and Henes. When she declared for both events I assumed she was sitting on something truly special. They knew the 1500 field was loaded. They knew the race was in Austin in June. They knew she would have to run fast in the 1500 to have any chance. All of this was apparent from the onset. She made this decision. It turned out to be a poor decision. This 1500 played out very similar to her 1500 at Wake Forest. She knew how starting too fast would end for her. I just don't understand the decision making here. Henes now has the distinction as the first coach to take a talent like Tuohy and produce an incredibly poor result. What she is doing with that very talented team does not seem to be working.

I think less of Tuohy for not showing up for the 5000. She put this out there. She knew the conditions. There was nothing wrong with her. She was butt-hurt and did not want to lose to Parker. Showing up and giving her best and seeing her commitment through would have been the classy thing to do. Instead, she basically gets credit as a ghost runner from rabid fans and takes away the spotlight from the deserving winner. Declaring this double was a bad decision, but it was her decision and she had all of the facts going in and she had an obligation to see the thing through.

The woman who lost a spot because of this (13th at regionals) was Savannah Shaw, her teammate and a senior. I think that really sucks.

I am still a fan, but I would have had some serious respect for her showing up and not dodging the loss. Parker Valby crushed it. She ran that race on pure heart and she deserves all of the credit due for winning an NCAA championship. Parker was the one who showed up at 9:55 ready to go, and Tuohy didn't through her own decisions. Britton Wilson showed up. She saw her commitment through. That is class.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

MattHatter wrote:

if they were so concerned about burning out before the USA's why even go for the double in the first place through the regionals?

coach should have had her just run one race and be satisfied with it.

I think Tuohy is a great runner but I'm really not a fan of this decision. Taking a spot in the race from someone else, and not even racing even though you're there and healthy, as far as we know.

The difficulty of the double and the tough conditions with the meet being in Austin have been known quantities. If Tuohy holds on and wins the 1500 does that change the line of thought?

Also don't want to miss an opportunity to take a shot at the NCAA for the absolutely stupid format of this meet. You could spread event so over a 4 or 5 day period so you could see athletes double. Instead they insist on this stupid idea that the genders need their own days and all finals except the 10k need to be in a 2 hour window. This sport has been run by clowns my entire life and the clowns only get stupider as time goes on.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

I think Tuohy is a great runner but I'm really not a fan of this decision. Taking a spot in the race from someone else, and not even racing even though you're there and healthy, as far as we know.

The difficulty of the double and the tough conditions with the meet being in Austin have been known quantities. If Tuohy holds on and wins the 1500 does that change the line of thought?

Also don't want to miss an opportunity to take a shot at the NCAA for the absolutely stupid format of this meet. You could spread event so over a 4 or 5 day period so you could see athletes double. Instead they insist on this stupid idea that the genders need their own days and all finals except the 10k need to be in a 2 hour window. This sport has been run by clowns my entire life and the clowns only get stupider as time goes on.