Parker Valby is going to smoke Katelyn Tuohy in the NCAA 5000

On a side note to us all, I just realized how funny it is that a thread about Valby defeating Tuohy has evolved into a discussion about Tuohy vs. Wilson for the Bowerman.

Probably hasn’t been a thing said about Valby since the first pages. (Not a knock on Valby, I think she’s incredibly talented), just an observation of the sheer gift that’s so completely next-level that these two women have and how this thread has evolved into a discussion about then, and completely not about Valby.

On that subject, Valby has a shot. Tuohy is in the 1500 final an hour and a half before the 5000m and the other contenders are also doubling or skipped the 5000.

Oh agreed. A “shot”. I don’t believe Valby’s shot will be anywhere near good enough.

There are other, stronger, healthier runners than Valby with a better chance such as Kemboi and Plourde. (At least they’re not injured).

They are both very deserving.

I give them both credit for attempting such extremely difficult event schedules in a National Championship meet.

Neither one would be a bad choice and I also think that whichever one is runner up for the Bowerman deserves every bit of recognition she has received from the media or will receive in the future.

Good point, but now I don't get why they wait til Dec, or have Bowerman fan voting in July. Both Steiner and Mu, the recent winners had huge summers before winning award in December.

Oh, they wait ‘til December because they hold the award ceremony during the National Convention. Even the presenters don’t know the results, nor the organization. They’re tallied by a 3rd party and results not released until that night in December.

I think that Valby can beat Plourde and Kemboi, especially if they are doubling.

You must be in denial. I already named Jenny Barringer and Mary Cain. We can add Koko, Faith Kipyegon, Laura Muir, Gudaf Tsegay, Yalemzerf Yehualaw and many others to the list of women who've proved it's possible to be globally competitive in distance events during typical college age years.

My point went right over your head. And Mary Cain? The runner show started running for Salazar in high school and was done by age 19? Great example. Meanwhile you are listing some of the worst and most obvious dopers in sports. The only one I think was clean was Barringer. A female US college distance runner outside of the steeple has not made a world team since the 1988 Olympics.

This is the clinching argument right here. A record breaking collegiate sprinter is far more impressive than a record breaking collegiate distance runner because the bar to break a collegiate sprint record is so much higher. Check mate. You lose, Astro!

Declaring victory and gong home is always a good strategy.

In Louisiana we just have to beat a few slow distance runners . Then someone comes on websites and with overhyped posts. Wish al gore had invented the internet back in Bobby Beck and John Ratcliffe days.

Well played!

For those who don't know, I think she had a series of knee problems.

Oh, and bad karma from trolling the boys on Twitter.

It's interesting that Bol may play a role in the vote. Britton Wilson's case would be a lot stronger with a world record, and she would have it if Bol hadn't gotten there first.

Via World Athletics overall rankings this is non competitive:

Wilson...136

Alfred...199

Moore...321

Tuohy...503

I am really sorry I posted this criticism of the writer which instigated this whole debate (post # 194)

"An interesting rationale for Tuohy being #4 in this guys mind for Bowerman at this point. I can see her being #4 as the other 3 have very strong cases, but if this is his reason, well really?"
"If the Bowerman finalists were announced today, I believe Katelyn Tuohy would narrowly miss out. That’s how stacked the watch list is at the top.
During the indoor season, Tuohy set three collegiate records and won two NCAA titles. During the outdoor season, she set the 5000-meter collegiate record and won the ACC 10,000 meter title in her first-ever collegiate race. Tuohy’s Bowerman resume doesn’t include her cross country efforts this year, which aren’t considered for the award.
Tuohy sits at a close fourth right now because one outdoor conference championship is less than two and she finished third among collegians in the 5K at the Wake Forest Invitational."
I guess the lesson is don't run a qualifying mark in a 5000 when you are tired after running a fast 1500 30 minutes prior?

Now the discussion has drifted to should the award go to the athlete with the highest WA rating I guess. Or most competitive on world stage. As I have said "most outstanding" is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Is for example the outstanding athlete of a meet the one with most titles, or points, or maybe the one with the most impressive performance? People will disagree. I am done on this.

I just read your awful comment about Latvian teenager Agate Caune running 15:12 this weekend.

So you believe just about any young woman who is better than Tuohy must be doping. That’s an unhealthy and disturbing way of thinking. You remind me of a father who thinks his daughter is a perfect princess who can do no wrong and absolutely must be admitted to Harvard even though she doesn’t have the best test scores. “The other girls must be cheating because my daughter is the smartest girl in the world!”

Tuohy is a brilliant runner with a bright future having a splendid season but she is not the best young distance runner or even collegiate distance runner of all time, and she’s not having a better season than Britton Wilson. The sooner you accept these truths the sooner you will find peace in your life.