Parker Valby will beat Katelyn Tuohy by 30 seconds at Nationals

Your post is one more that violates the policy of the website in that it insults a poster.

I challenge you to post under your real name since you are so tough. Waiting. Waiting.

Wow. What happened to Kiptoo

No, it isn't. It is like saying being an Olympic gold medallist or world championship winner is better than being the winner of any number of national titles and national records and no Olympic or world championship titles. So what, that Pre dominated a range of events at a national level; at an international level he wasn't anywhere near being the best in the world over any distance. Mills was.

Ah yes, the same response as the last time this topic was brought up...when you were posting under another name and saying that another runner was going to be golden child of the NCAA. And, of course, slagging Tuohy the whole time.

It's too bad, you actually seem to follow the sport and are knowledgeable about several runners....too bad you've chosen to be a troll over the years.

I understand why people would want to post anonymously at times, but there really should be some sort of rule to limit it. Maybe something like 3 posts per thread from an ip address that is unregistered. Posting history matters when you are dealing in these long drawn out threads, which may or may not be filled with trolling.

Isn't your post the greatest troll post of all time? Are there really only like 6 registered posters and 2 unregistered posters in all of Letstun? I don't know the stats but I will bet that there are more than 1000 active posters and thousands of occasional posters. But I guess you are right. I am that one poster who has supported Favor, Coburn, Frerichs, Simpson, Purrier, Houlihan, Hasay, Cain, Wayment, Cook, Hutchins, Roe, amd Wiley. Then there are the 5 registered Tuohy supporters. I guess that makes it an even 1/2 dozen. But somehow the website keeps running.

Billy Mills won gold, but that doesn't mean that he had a better overall career. However, I wouldn't slight him in any way, because I admire him a great deal.

Pre was certainly among the best in the world. He went for the victory in 1972, was pushed back by Viren on the last turn, and faded to finish 4th. By any measure, 4th in the Olympic 5000m puts you among the best in the world. He was competing without sponsorship and in poverty against government-sponsored runners from Europe, some of whom were blood doping, as eventually came out when they finally checked for it--and that was the end of the Finnish dynasty in distance running. Pre was also a good deal more consistent than Viren, who competed incredibly rarely--but on the very highest level in 1972 and 1976. In 1975, when Pre died, he was just 25 and at his best, so he may well have medaled in 1976. In other words, he still had plenty of promise and attaining all the American records in an era where Americans weren't competing on a fast European circuit yet and in which Americans were medalling and competitive throughout the distances (Shorter 1972 gold in the marathon, sixth(?) in the 10000, Wohlhuter 2:13.9 1000m and competitive at 800/1500, Wottle gold in the 800m), is a significant accomplishment.

Yes there are only 8 of us here. The rest are bots.

This is a great question. When I saw the claim about no one winning NCAA by 30 seconds, I went back to that 2021 Winter nationals to see what Mantz's margin was, and watching Kiptoo hammering early and for a long time, and gapping Mantz after both went out in a crazy 1k, I still could not believe that Kiptoo lost and by a ton. But first of all, Kiptoo had just won the NCAA 5000m indoors, destroying the field, about two or three days earlier. They had that crazy schedule that year where they postponed NCAA xc three months but had to have it at the end of the same weekend as NCAA indoor champs. Insane. So, some chose to do indoors (Oregon), some chose only to do xc nats (NAU), and some chose to do both (Kiptoo). Mantz keeps hammering on the hills--and those hills can be very steep on that course, which they repeat something like five times, I think, and finally you can see Kiptoo break. Mantz was a 27:40s 10k runner but up- and downhills seem to have been his forte.

I don't have any issue with people posting anonymously either...no issue at all. Its a feature of the website, and allows you to comment/question on threads where you may not want it attached to your Registered name. I have done it before, and didn't mean the comment to judge any of the regular posters who use the feature.

I also have no issue with people who make predictions under an anonymous name...have at it. It can be fun.

But when someone wants to say they are 'all in' supporting a runner, and make constant posts that they have supported them for years; that their runner is going to be the NCAA champ; that their runner will beat Tuohy easily; and the constant Tuohy peaked in Gr 8, and will never win a NCAA championship (that didn't age well)....blah blah blah....it's fairly obvious the reason for the anonymous name!!

Then they will make long posts about why they use an anonymous name and insult anyone for calling them out....Yawn...

Anyway, no issues with anonymous posters, just the trolls who don't ever want to be associated to their old posts...as it would make them look fairly pathetic.

Nutty was revamped for the 2018 NCAA; the prior women's course was more than a little short. Also, this year the grass was nice and thick, great to race on but not fast. I am not sure how hard the ground was for AO, but the big difference is the course length. Ask Mr Marathon, if you don't know who that is and why it is relevant than you really do not have a sufficiently informed opinion.

The true freshman took down Seniors Seidel, Scott, and Courtney F. on that course; very impressive regardless of the course length.

Another factoid: AO won that race a little less than one month after winning the U20 World Mountain Running Championships.

Thanks for the info. That some type of change was made to the course can be seen reflected in the times.

Still don't know what changed other than maybe moving the start line 10 meters. Nothing else could change. And the course was harder and drier this year than ever.

One thing this thread does indicate is the interest people have for XC, which I wished our pros could understand.