After 15 years and probably at least an entire year of your life spent arguing on this forum, I doubt if anybody really knows what you are trying to say, let alone be in any way convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail doping discussion threads. Your only supporter here is likely a paid shill of somebody such as Aden, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
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Coevett wrote:
After 15 years and probably at least an entire year of your life spent arguing on this forum, I doubt if anybody really knows what you are trying to say, let alone be in any way convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail doping discussion threads. Your only supporter here is likely a paid shill of somebody such as Aden, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
After 10 years and probably at least two full years of your life spent arguing on this forum, I'm sure anybody exactly knows what you are trying to say, also nobody in any way is convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail interesting top performance related threads and put down any African who runs fast times. Your only supporters here are guys like Armstronglivs, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
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Coevett wrote:
After 15 years and probably at least an entire year of your life spent arguing on this forum, I doubt if anybody really knows what you are trying to say, let alone be in any way convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail doping discussion threads. Your only supporter here is likely a paid shill of somebody such as Aden, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
A big part of the confusion comes when I say statements A, B, and C, posters like you ask why I would deny statements D, E, and F. That is when they are not name-calling, or inventing fictitious personal details about me.
You think it is "siderailing" a thread that presumes high performance is suspicious and implies doping, to talk about the basis for any alleged link between performance and doping. It is completely on-point for me to challenge you to backup your assumptions, or address contradictory facts.
I don't play with upvotes or downvotes, and don't give them much weight. I already know my posts poking at myths are not popular. But they are fact-based.
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iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
Coevett wrote:
After 15 years and probably at least an entire year of your life spent arguing on this forum, I doubt if anybody really knows what you are trying to say, let alone be in any way convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail doping discussion threads. Your only supporter here is likely a paid shill of somebody such as Aden, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
After 10 years and probably at least two full years of your life spent arguing on this forum, I'm sure anybody exactly knows what you are trying to say, also nobody in any way is convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail interesting top performance related threads and put down any African who runs fast times. Your only supporters here are guys like Armstronglivs, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
Lol, I even upvoted you, as I know it means so much to you.
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Coevett wrote:
I'm sure this is another lie used to justify the 'natural born runner' myth. The Ethiopians in the 50's and 60's were organizing military training camps at high altitude where the elite (such as Bikili) were running 150 miles weeks with regular speed sessions on the track. This at a time when the rest of the world's training consisted mainly of jogging to and back from work, or running on the spot in the bath (Zatopek). And if you accuse me of lying here, I'll post Bikili's training (again). The GDR modelled their system on Ethiopia's.
Bikili? Who is Bikili?
And Zátopek did a lot more than just jogging on the spot in the bath. Don't be dishonest, if you can.
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Keira wrote:
Coevett wrote:
I'm sure this is another lie used to justify the 'natural born runner' myth. The Ethiopians in the 50's and 60's were organizing military training camps at high altitude where the elite (such as Bikili) were running 150 miles weeks with regular speed sessions on the track. This at a time when the rest of the world's training consisted mainly of jogging to and back from work, or running on the spot in the bath (Zatopek). And if you accuse me of lying here, I'll post Bikili's training (again). The GDR modelled their system on Ethiopia's.
Bikili? Who is Bikili?
And Zátopek did a lot more than just jogging on the spot in the bath. Don't be dishonest, if you can.
It's not my intention to trigger autists here. Sorry for the spelling mistake. And people not on the spectrum would realize I did not say that Zatopek trained entirely in the bath.
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iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
Coevett wrote:
After 15 years and probably at least an entire year of your life spent arguing on this forum, I doubt if anybody really knows what you are trying to say, let alone be in any way convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail doping discussion threads. Your only supporter here is likely a paid shill of somebody such as Aden, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
After 10 years and probably at least two full years of your life spent arguing on this forum, I'm sure anybody exactly knows what you are trying to say, also nobody in any way is convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail interesting top performance related threads and put down any African who runs fast times. Your only supporters here are guys like Armstronglivs, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
I only use one account. Only weak arguments need the support of a crowd. Like yours.
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rekrunner wrote:
The Chinese women never replicated these fast times outside of two meets in China.
They just obliterated the competition in global championships ...
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Armstronglivs wrote:
iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
After 10 years and probably at least two full years of your life spent arguing on this forum, I'm sure anybody exactly knows what you are trying to say, also nobody in any way is convinced of it. Your only achievement is to constantly siderail interesting top performance related threads and put down any African who runs fast times. Your only supporters here are guys like Armstronglivs, who uses multiple accounts and devices to upvote himself and you, and downvote everybody else.
I only use one account. Only weak arguments need the support of a crowd. Like yours.
How do you explain the overwhelming domination in the mens Marathon by Kenya and Ethiopia.
"They dope more" can't explain it.
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iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
How do you explain the overwhelming domination in the mens Marathon by Kenya and Ethiopia.
"They dope more" can't explain it.
Says you....over and over again.
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Keira wrote:
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Coevett wrote:
iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
How do you explain the overwhelming domination in the mens Marathon by Kenya and Ethiopia.
"They dope more" can't explain it.
Says you....over and over again.
Armstronglivs hasn't explained so far. Maybe you give it a try?
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iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Says you....over and over again.
Armstronglivs hasn't explained so far. Maybe you give it a try?
I have.
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I have had a few exchanges with Coevett. He suffers from paranoid schizoid personality characteristics. Coevett actually has accused me of following him around and stalking him on this site. He (despite palpably false assertions of possessing a high IQ) cannot grasp that multiple people can vehemently disagree with his racism. He clearly is a white supremacist. He is actually the one who uses multiple user names and it is not easy for him to conceal his noxious personality. Other than that, he seems like a great guy.
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iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I only use one account. Only weak arguments need the support of a crowd. Like yours.
How do you explain the overwhelming domination in the mens Marathon by Kenya and Ethiopia.
"They dope more" can't explain it.
Most doped nations in running. That does explain it. If you doped up Japan that much they would be knocking on the world record.
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Coevett wrote:
iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
Armstronglivs hasn't explained so far. Maybe you give it a try?
I have.
You havn't.
The OVERWHELMING majority of the fastest Marathon runners are from East African origin, mainly from just two countries, Ethiopia and Kenya.
You try to put it down as there is only one reason for this: doping. But doping is widespread all over the world. Is it more sophisticated in Ethiopia and Kenya?
Was the East African marathon success from the 80s (Ethiopia, Tanzania, Djibouti, but also Kenya) achieved clean?
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The East African myth was just epo. wrote:
iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
How do you explain the overwhelming domination in the mens Marathon by Kenya and Ethiopia.
"They dope more" can't explain it.
Most doped nations in running. That does explain it. If you doped up Japan that much they would be knocking on the world record.
So these two nations have ten times as many dopers as the rest of the world? Including Morocco, Algeria, Spain, Turkey, Russia, Romania, Czech Republic, Croatia, Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands, UK, USA, China, North Korea, India, South Africa, Botsuana, Namibia, Brazil, Mexico, Columbia and many more. Oh, I forgot. In the UK only cyclists dope. Not track athletes. Oh, yes, sprinters do. But not distance runners. Oh, yes, some women do. But not male runners. Oh, yes, some black runners do. But not the white ones.
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iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
The OVERWHELMING majority of the fastest Marathon runners are from East African origin, mainly from just two countries, Ethiopia and Kenya.
Kenya has been ranked the top most country likely to dope according to the IAAF.
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Kenya is also ranked besides Ethiopia, Belarus and Ukraine.
There was just a large thread here on letsrun about other reasons for Kenya’s and Ethiopia’s dominance in addition to doping, including culture + altitude + weather + maybe genes (such as calf diameter to height ratio or something). None of those are true for Belarus and Ukraine (and Russia). And I am sure by now we all know about the weak ooc testing - with warnings the day before or even earlier, see Reid C and Kiprop - in Kenya and Ethiopia until recently...So, I am going with doping + culture + altitude + weather + maybe genes.
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Kenyan style anti-doping test. Notify us the night before. 1 hour drive to test site at 5am. Many Olympic medalists in house. 10:06 PM · Feb 8, 2016
Note the date: 2016. Kiprop's well documented advance notice was in 2017. At least until then, it was a lot easier to dope there than here.
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iIiIiIiIiI wrote:
Coevett wrote:
I have.
You havn't.
The OVERWHELMING majority of the fastest Marathon runners are from East African origin, mainly from just two countries, Ethiopia and Kenya.
You try to put it down as there is only one reason for this: doping. But doping is widespread all over the world. Is it more sophisticated in Ethiopia and Kenya?
Was the East African marathon success from the 80s (Ethiopia, Tanzania, Djibouti, but also Kenya) achieved clean?
Doping is clearly not as rampant elsewhere as it in in East Africa, even Casual Observer accepts that. How do you explain 200+ doping busts despite advance text warnings etc etc?
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