Wow…..Brian Flores is suing the NFL for discrimination!!

The notion that NFL owners would prevent black people from coaching to preserve some modern plantation would be laughable if the consequences weren’t do devastating. These idiotic ideas that lead to charges of ‘systemic racism’ and other stupid and non-existent constructs. NFL owners would hire al Qaeda leaders if they could coach and win. Brian Flores looks like a moron to me and the fact that he’s got Hue Jackson and Marvin Freeman as his chief champions speaks volumes to me. No won had more chances to win than Marvin Freeman. He was a terrible coach of highly talented teams. No one has ever lost more than Hue Jackson - he actually went 3-36-1 over two+ years. These are your champions? It would be hysterical if it wasn’t so terrifying.

Miami and Cleveland being punished for hiring a black hc, smh. If you were an owner would you get in line?

[quote]llort_vbo wrote:

The notion that NFL owners would prevent black people from coaching to preserve some modern plantation would be laughable if the consequences weren’t do devastating.

It's quite obvious.

70% of the labor (the players), no ownership, and one black head coach for 32 teams.

The owners are the victims of "devastating consequences"?

Boy do they have you in their back pocket

flyingfrog wrote:

Miami and Cleveland being punished for hiring a black hc, smh. If you were an owner would you get in line?

No, they are being punished for offering money to their head coaches to throw games.

Hey, go ahead and make up whatever you want me to say. You’re probably too dumb to help yourself anyway.

The ‘devastating consequences’ are for those of us in the real world. Racial quotas don’t help anybody.

Why is it important to you that there are black head coaches? Can you explain?

Deep thoughts... wrote:

Many people are using the 1 black coach out of 32 positions compared with blacks composing 70% of NFL players as an indicator of bias.

People who interpret this as an indication of bias don't fully understand statistics dealing with small population sizes and as being a reflection of current status rather than a pattern. In 2011 there were 7 black head coaches. Does that indicate that the NFL was not biased then but 11 years later became biased.

No it reflects error variance due to a small population sample.

The percentage of black head coaches is not so troubling by itself, rather it’s the fact that even Belichik knew who had been selected before Flores had even been interviewed. That is a pretty damning case in favor of Flores’ discrimination argument.

hmm. wrote:

Deep thoughts... wrote:

Many people are using the 1 black coach out of 32 positions compared with blacks composing 70% of NFL players as an indicator of bias.

People who interpret this as an indication of bias don't fully understand statistics dealing with small population sizes and as being a reflection of current status rather than a pattern. In 2011 there were 7 black head coaches. Does that indicate that the NFL was not biased then but 11 years later became biased.

No it reflects error variance due to a small population sample.

The percentage of black head coaches is not so troubling by itself, rather it’s the fact that even Belichik knew who had been selected before Flores had even been interviewed. That is a pretty damning case in favor of Flores’ discrimination argument.

The Giants already dunked that claim with convincing evidence that they (you know, the team that actually was making the hiring decision) had not decided on anyone the day BB (a guy who doesn't exactly have a lot of friends around the league) allegedly sent a text "knowing" that the Giants had already picked Daboll.

As already has been explained on here, the Giants very well may have talked to Daboll and decided that he was their guy unless someone cleared his very high bar. Anyone who has conducted interviews knows that is a normal way of hiring. You have a list of people to interview and if one of the early interviewees nails it, then that's your person unless someone can beat it. Flores's claims against the Giants are DOA.

The whole Rooney Rule is f'ing ridiulous...

Sure, anything is hypothetically possible. The evidence thus far, that Belichik hasn’t denied, looks pretty bad for the Giants. It would be just as unsurprising for them to have interviewed a black guy just to satisfy a diversity requirement. Discovery will determine exactly how BB knew what he seemed to know if the NFL doesn’t settle first.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Got to secretly tape them. Like Donald Sterling.

Simply amazing that the NFL having one black coach for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

Simply amazing that the NFL having 0 white cornerbacks for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

Outcomes (1/32) may indicate racism but it doesn't prove it. I'm an engineering mgr over about 80 people, we only have one black male employee. Why? No one else has applied. I'm sure the there have been black coaches that have applied for hc jobs so it is more likely racism has occurred and should be looked into but it isn't proof it has happened. Can't just look at outcomes of everything and come to the conclusion that racism has occurred just because outcomes don't match demographics. There should be equal opportunity and not necessarily equal outcomes. If there is equal opportunity, the individual determines the outcomes.

Why would he deny it? He sent the text. That's not the issue. The issue is how could he possibly have correct information about the Giants hiring decisions? The Giants said he didn't. Where has he provided additional information on why we think we should believe him over the Giants?

hmm. wrote:

Deep thoughts... wrote:

Many people are using the 1 black coach out of 32 positions compared with blacks composing 70% of NFL players as an indicator of bias.

People who interpret this as an indication of bias don't fully understand statistics dealing with small population sizes and as being a reflection of current status rather than a pattern. In 2011 there were 7 black head coaches. Does that indicate that the NFL was not biased then but 11 years later became biased.

No it reflects error variance due to a small population sample.

The percentage of black head coaches is not so troubling by itself, rather it’s the fact that even Belichik knew who had been selected before Flores had even been interviewed. That is a pretty damning case in favor of Flores’ discrimination argument.

This is such a dumb argument. If one is hiring the operational head of an organization one is going to speak privately to people who have worked closely with him before doing so. Not talking to belichik would be ridiculous in that context.

Flores' firing was ridiculous, but his behavior after generates serious concern about how easy he would be to work with.

He might have a case against the Giants, but he has no case against the Broncos or the Dolphins. He will likely face a counter suit from the Broncos. The Dolphins hired a bi-racial coach in McDaniel who is more offensive minded (from the Shanahan tree).