[quote]xczvzxcv wrote:
Well, COVID was killing upwards of 3,000 per day in December-February, when the death rate plummeted due to wider COVID vaccination among the elderly.
I dunno if what you say about the number of deaths is true, bur Dec-Feb is the prime season for these types of viruses so we would expect deaths to plummet as spring approached if there was no vaccine.
To attribute the alleged plummeting death rate to the Vax is nothing but confirmation bias
energeticlotuseater wrote:
Has anyone at Cornell, students and teachers alike, been hospitalized for omicron?
I believe the answer was no. Originally upon reporting, nobody was even sick. Yet, people do not see this as overzealous....the World has gone mad stupid.
The vaccines are a real danger.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
Has anyone at Cornell, students and teachers alike, been hospitalized for omicron?
No clue, but you can bet they were vaccinated if they were.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Omicron will cause a lot of breakthrough infections in prior infected or 2x vaccinated people. Less in 3x vaxxed and hybrid immunity.
Until we have a full handle on the relative severity, magnitude of immune escape, transmissibility, etc, it seems unwise to treat an Omicron infection different than prior variants.
However, I have long been in favor of lowering the requirements for getting out of 'COVID jail' if you are vaxxed and test positive. Many places still have a mandatory quarantine period, etc. 2 negative tests and zero symptoms should be enough.
Of course, if you have symptoms of a respiratory disease, you should be quarantining in your room. This was true before COVID.
This is not true. Unless, you have active TB, nobody was staying in their room for weeks or even days because they had colds. Come on, when will you admit that the response over the last 2 years was both unconventional and absolutely overzealous. Covid will still be real if you admit that. Boosting the nonvulnerable is overzealous and possibly dangerous.
While I pretty much agree with everything you just said and couldn’t have said it better myself, some of us WERE following protocol. When I first was getting Covid (chills going to bed), then fever, headache, malaise, cystitis the next morning, I didn’t leave the house for two weeks, except to go in my own back yard. Even though I was able to relegate it to merely a cold by day 4 and nothing by the dreaded second week, I didn’t go anywhere. Even at day 13, I missed one of my kids’ cross country meets. Technically, I was good after day 10 according to the CDC at the time and asymptomatic, but I decided to be overly cautious.
The funny thing is, on like day 17, I had to go to Walgreens to get an unrelated prescription. I walked in with my mask on tight and noticed not one other person wearing any. I remember laughing and thinking how I was more immune than any of those fukkers in there, and, with that, I decided to stop wearing a mask anywhere unless required to by the business.
Until the data says otherwise, cell-mediated immunity holds up pretty well against Omicron. The very vulnerable should probably be jabbed, but I’m not convinced we shouldn’t let this spread everywhere as fast as possible, especially among our younger population and the convalescent. Closing schools is probably one of the dumbest things at this point. How much more do we want to jeopardize our kids’ mental health and set them back? Some of my kids’ friends (graduating high school) never recovered. They are on a path to nowhere. They are the real collateral damage. Just so unnecessary but an authoritarian’s wet dream.
ronko wrote:
How stupid are you? If everyone (in the world, not at the university) had been vaccinated in a timely manner we wouldn’t have variants. Why is this so hard for Republicans to understand?
I absolutely hate this poster. I never post. but this is categorically and biologically wrong. Lol do you even know how variants are created? I'm only a bio major and I know this. *laughing emoji
Covidiocy wrote:
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
This is not true. Unless, you have active TB, nobody was staying in their room for weeks or even days because they had colds. Come on, when will you admit that the response over the last 2 years was both unconventional and absolutely overzealous. Covid will still be real if you admit that. Boosting the nonvulnerable is overzealous and possibly dangerous.
While I pretty much agree with everything you just said and couldn’t have said it better myself, some of us WERE following protocol. When I first was getting Covid (chills going to bed), then fever, headache, malaise, cystitis the next morning, I didn’t leave the house for two weeks, except to go in my own back yard. Even though I was able to relegate it to merely a cold by day 4 and nothing by the dreaded second week, I didn’t go anywhere. Even at day 13, I missed one of my kids’ cross country meets. Technically, I was good after day 10 according to the CDC at the time and asymptomatic, but I decided to be overly cautious.
The funny thing is, on like day 17, I had to go to Walgreens to get an unrelated prescription. I walked in with my mask on tight and noticed not one other person wearing any. I remember laughing and thinking how I was more immune than any of those fukkers in there, and, with that, I decided to stop wearing a mask anywhere unless required to by the business.
Until the data says otherwise, cell-mediated immunity holds up pretty well against Omicron. The very vulnerable should probably be jabbed, but I’m not convinced we shouldn’t let this spread everywhere as fast as possible, especially among our younger population and the convalescent. Closing schools is probably one of the dumbest things at this point. How much more do we want to jeopardize our kids’ mental health and set them back? Some of my kids’ friends (graduating high school) never recovered. They are on a path to nowhere. They are the real collateral damage. Just so unnecessary but an authoritarian’s wet dream.
Oh, I have "complied" with all of the rules as well. Too many people seem to think here that if you disagree with the actions taken that somehow you are a murderous and disrespectful selfish jerk. Honestly, I do not think people understand how selfish, destructive and deadly the "new rules" have been to society. Wishing we could do better is now some sort of crime.
I also totally agree on the school situation. Closing schools, online school, masks, they have all been a very destructive force in kids lives. They were all annoyed after two weeks, now two years later they have all just given up. It is all very sad and we need to reverse course now. Cheers.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Covidiocy wrote:
While I pretty much agree with everything you just said and couldn’t have said it better myself, some of us WERE following protocol. When I first was getting Covid (chills going to bed), then fever, headache, malaise, cystitis the next morning, I didn’t leave the house for two weeks, except to go in my own back yard. Even though I was able to relegate it to merely a cold by day 4 and nothing by the dreaded second week, I didn’t go anywhere. Even at day 13, I missed one of my kids’ cross country meets. Technically, I was good after day 10 according to the CDC at the time and asymptomatic, but I decided to be overly cautious.
The funny thing is, on like day 17, I had to go to Walgreens to get an unrelated prescription. I walked in with my mask on tight and noticed not one other person wearing any. I remember laughing and thinking how I was more immune than any of those fukkers in there, and, with that, I decided to stop wearing a mask anywhere unless required to by the business.
Until the data says otherwise, cell-mediated immunity holds up pretty well against Omicron. The very vulnerable should probably be jabbed, but I’m not convinced we shouldn’t let this spread everywhere as fast as possible, especially among our younger population and the convalescent. Closing schools is probably one of the dumbest things at this point. How much more do we want to jeopardize our kids’ mental health and set them back? Some of my kids’ friends (graduating high school) never recovered. They are on a path to nowhere. They are the real collateral damage. Just so unnecessary but an authoritarian’s wet dream.
Oh, I have "complied" with all of the rules as well. Too many people seem to think here that if you disagree with the actions taken that somehow you are a murderous and disrespectful selfish jerk. Honestly, I do not think people understand how selfish, destructive and deadly the "new rules" have been to society. Wishing we could do better is now some sort of crime.
I also totally agree on the school situation. Closing schools, online school, masks, they have all been a very destructive force in kids lives. They were all annoyed after two weeks, now two years later they have all just given up. It is all very sad and we need to reverse course now. Cheers.
It’s nothing but a behavioral experiment on kids. Somehow someone who never grew up with a mask on their face, enjoys depriving someone else’s child of the same privilege and that’s supposed to be accepted or the actual parent is evil. Some kind of sickness going around alright.
ronko wrote:
Caleb's Hat wrote:
Great point
We should have vaccinated the entire planet in 2019
Darn Republicans
We couldn’t do that because a vaccine wasn’t invented yet. Once it was, and lots of people worked really hard to make that happen - and happen fast - about half of the US decided they didn’t want it. That opened the door to variants.
Yo, didn't delta originate in another country? Same with omicron? Not arguing against vaccinating, but it's probably unfair to blame current variants on unvaccinated Americans.
i'm not totally informed wrote:
ronko wrote:
We couldn’t do that because a vaccine wasn’t invented yet. Once it was, and lots of people worked really hard to make that happen - and happen fast - about half of the US decided they didn’t want it. That opened the door to variants.
Yo, didn't delta originate in another country? Same with omicron? Not arguing against vaccinating, but it's probably unfair to blame current variants on unvaccinated Americans.
Unfair and flat out wrong.
Hospitals are now overrun with COVID patients again. My local hospital in the northeast has no beds available for anything but life or death emergencies. Most of us will agree that the vaccine keeps people out of the hospital. The evidence is crystal clear. My local hospital has 84 people hospitalized with COVID. Only 6 of them are vaccinated, and none of them have been boosted. Cornell and other institutions are shutting down not to save their vaccinated students, but to save the community at large from the spread to the unvaccinated and collapse of our hospital system, and unnecessary death. The Cornell kids are about to head home and see their families and friends, some of whom are not vaccinated.
My father needs a carotid endarterectomy surgery. This is not considered a life or death situation, but his chances of having a stroke while waiting for the surgery are through the roof. He needs this surgery as soon as possible. He can't schedule one in the current environment due to the COVID in patient population in the hospital. His vascular surgeon says that the vascular nurses are being used temporarily to manage COVID patients and can't assist surgeries. He also said many of his vascular nurses are quitting because around the clock COVID nursing is exhausting and the nurses are feeling less sympathetic to the unvaccinated patients causing them to work day and night. This is why Cornell is closed.
We all get vaccinated and COVID will still exist, but it won't kick our asses like it is currently doing.
Damn right. If we had stuck with the "Right" path - unmask our kids, mass produce hydroxychloroquine, free mouthwash, cover up the real numbers and lie about everything, and tell the "vulnerable" they better take precautions, we'd be in such a better place!
It's not just Cornell . . . look at any number of universities, the NFL, NHL, almost any business with more than a few employees, the United Kingdom . . . it's not hard. Follow the science, mask up, get vaccinated.
Vince Matthews Fan wrote:
Follow the science, mask up, get vaccinated.
...And then after everyone does that, shut down your campus anyway.
Caleb's Hat wrote:
Vince Matthews Fan wrote:
Follow the science, mask up, get vaccinated.
...And then after everyone does that, shut down your campus anyway.
Correct, "CAUSE SCIENCE!!!"
Covidiocy wrote:
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
This is not true. Unless, you have active TB, nobody was staying in their room for weeks or even days because they had colds. Come on, when will you admit that the response over the last 2 years was both unconventional and absolutely overzealous. Covid will still be real if you admit that. Boosting the nonvulnerable is overzealous and possibly dangerous.
While I pretty much agree with everything you just said and couldn’t have said it better myself, some of us WERE following protocol. When I first was getting Covid (chills going to bed), then fever, headache, malaise, cystitis the next morning, I didn’t leave the house for two weeks, except to go in my own back yard. Even though I was able to relegate it to merely a cold by day 4 and nothing by the dreaded second week, I didn’t go anywhere. Even at day 13, I missed one of my kids’ cross country meets. Technically, I was good after day 10 according to the CDC at the time and asymptomatic, but I decided to be overly cautious.
The funny thing is, on like day 17, I had to go to Walgreens to get an unrelated prescription. I walked in with my mask on tight and noticed not one other person wearing any. I remember laughing and thinking how I was more immune than any of those fukkers in there, and, with that, I decided to stop wearing a mask anywhere unless required to by the business.
Until the data says otherwise, cell-mediated immunity holds up pretty well against Omicron. The very vulnerable should probably be jabbed, but I’m not convinced we shouldn’t let this spread everywhere as fast as possible, especially among our younger population and the convalescent. Closing schools is probably one of the dumbest things at this point. How much more do we want to jeopardize our kids’ mental health and set them back? Some of my kids’ friends (graduating high school) never recovered. They are on a path to nowhere. They are the real collateral damage. Just so unnecessary but an authoritarian’s wet dream.
To LFH: plenty of protocols still have people isolate for a long time if asymptomatic. I think that's dumb. If you have no symptoms and test negative, you're good. However, if you have symptoms and test positive... you have to quarantine. But this should be true for the flu as well! Nobody should be out in public if you have an airborne infection.
We obviously shouldn't close schools but denying kids the vax is borderline murderous considering the risk:reward clearly favors vaccination.
Lastly, given exponential growth (something many people STILL don't understand) and almost 1 million excess deaths, I would, again, caution against encouraging widespread transmission of a new variant when we don't have nearly complete information about it yet.
An error would cost literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Are you really willing to bet it's totally mild with that in mind?
JonElk wrote:
Hospitals are now overrun with COVID patients again. My local hospital in the northeast has no beds available for anything but life or death emergencies. Most of us will agree that the vaccine keeps people out of the hospital. The evidence is crystal clear. My local hospital has 84 people hospitalized with COVID. Only 6 of them are vaccinated, and none of them have been boosted. Cornell and other institutions are shutting down not to save their vaccinated students, but to save the community at large from the spread to the unvaccinated and collapse of our hospital system, and unnecessary death. The Cornell kids are about to head home and see their families and friends, some of whom are not vaccinated.
My father needs a carotid endarterectomy surgery. This is not considered a life or death situation, but his chances of having a stroke while waiting for the surgery are through the roof. He needs this surgery as soon as possible. He can't schedule one in the current environment due to the COVID in patient population in the hospital. His vascular surgeon says that the vascular nurses are being used temporarily to manage COVID patients and can't assist surgeries. He also said many of his vascular nurses are quitting because around the clock COVID nursing is exhausting and the nurses are feeling less sympathetic to the unvaccinated patients causing them to work day and night. This is why Cornell is closed.
We all get vaccinated and COVID will still exist, but it won't kick our asses like it is currently doing.
Another wave, another round of antivaxxers effectively murdering innocent Americans.
Unclear why we still have people breathlessly defending their vaccine skepticism. Nuance would be acceptable were there not large swaths of unvaccinated Americans. No longer do the antivaxxers deserve the right to whine and explain why their special situation exempts them from needing the vax (it doesn't).
The antivaxxers present not one compelling case against mass vaccination while there is literally a pile of bodies as evidence on the other side.
They should be grateful I even give them the time of day. Astonishing they can still hold such murderous positions in light of so many dead Americans.