Do you think that questioning the course length on a website after the race is over and results are official is somehow going to convince someone to invalidate the results? You sound like a guy whose girlfriend left him but you keep calling her telling her that she can't leave you.
True 5k wrote:
Steel Tapeless wrote:
Not sure what you are up set about. You post a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the course length and get called out for it then have to go off about Trump! Did Hutchins have anyone to run with on the CC course? Don't you think she would run faster with competition and on a track? Isn't that why you think so many athletes run fast - the competition? Wouldn't that also apply to her?
Everything I posted has everything to do with course length. GPS, wheeling, track times, everything. If you are going to deny GPS and wheeling data because you don't think kids are getting faster, that's on you. bro. Of course, competition is a major factor and Hutchins could have probably run faster with someone her speed, but she had been running alone all year and was used to it. She was chasing that record. But the facts clearly show that the course is a 5k. Daddy Ritz doesn't have the record anymore, but his performance was still probably more impressive. Those two facts can coexist.
You did not state anything that has verified the course. Nothing.
Please share the data from the course layout process. Who were the surveyors, steel tape methodology, Jones counter readings, how close to the inside lines was the course measured? Give some details not just gibberish and select strava readings.
Who do you think you are? Nobody has to prove anything to an anonymous poster on Letsrun. You are sounding nutty. The results are official. You act like you can't hear that.
The course was laid out by a guy who took 5000 paces and declared it 5000 meters.
Nike is knocking wrote:
Do you think that questioning the course length on a website after the race is over and results are official is somehow going to convince someone to invalidate the results? You sound like a guy whose girlfriend left him but you keep calling her telling her that she can't leave you.
https://world-track.org/2021/12/watch-newbury-park-lead-4-runners-breaking-high-school-5k-national-record-at-garmin-runninglane/
Who wants to invalidate the results? Should be very easy to validate the course length and hopefully someone like David Katz will be asked to do so since it appears that has not yet happened.
You mean official*
Nike is knocking wrote:
Who do you think you are? Nobody has to prove anything to an anonymous poster on Letsrun. You are sounding nutty. The results are official. You act like you can't hear that.
I learned along time ago that shouldn't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see without further investigation.
True 5k wrote:
THE ARCADIA TRACK IS SHORT. Everyone PRs in the 3200 by 15 seconds! This is impossible! It’s not because there’s excellent competition and weather, how dare anyone insinuate that! That is a preposterous idea! The track is 390 meters! It’s the only explanation!
Wait I had a bunch of kids PR at Arcadia last year! Oh know, I will throw out their PRs now because of track shortness
We are glad that you don't believe it. I measured it today. It is 4872 meters but the results are official. Move on.
Leonn wrote:
Out of the top 25 athletes in the boys gold race
ALL 25 athletes set a PR.
The average PR set was 30.4 seconds
The greatest PR 85.1 was seconds
The smallest PR was 4.5 seconds
Only one athlete had a single-digit PR
This meet is a month after most state meets. You're telling me that every single one of these kids can run a PR in the 2-5 weeks after their state meet? Not every kid is going to peak well for this meet considering the time difference. If the average kid in the top 25 is setting a 30 second PR you have to question the integrity of this course. We are talking about beating the fastest time you've ever run by nearly 200 meters. That is ridiculous! The idea that these kids are quite literally some of the best xc runners in the nation this year and are setting 30 second prs in a matter of weeks is just impossible to believe. A lot of these kids if they didn't run this short course wouldn't even set a 30 second PR from last year!
Also, I would like to say...I bet the results in the gold womens race reflect the same time difference. I would predict the average PR of the top 25 in the gold womens race would be somewhere in the 33-37 second range. I would encourage you to do the research and calculate the average. I guarantee I'm right.
The data does not lie. Look, I get the course is designed to be fast. I have likewise ran on courses that are designed to be fast. They don't have much hills, they're wide with short grass, and don't have a lot of turns. I get it. But a short course and a course designed to be fast are NOT mutually exclusive. If I had the time to go down to Alabama and measure this course I would, but I don't. The only other way to look at it to see the if the course is short is the results, and the results say 25/25 kids in the championship race are setting PRs by an average of 171m or 30.4 seconds. The data does not lie. I honestly do not care that this course was rolled with a steamroller, it could be rolled with a million steamrollers, that doesn't change the fact that the data says something is not adding up in the course. Lets not kid ourselves that that is the reason kids are running fast. Look at Colin Sahlman's splits for example. He runs 4:29.78 first mile, the 2.1 miles are run in 5:11.60, which means he slows down to 4:42 pace which is 14:36 pace. Do we really think this is realistic that he slows down that much? Almost every athlete has the same large slowdown in the second mile. Then he splits by far the fastest mile of the race with a 4:21. What athlete sets a "record" with this kind of pacing? What are the chances that almost ALL athletes had a similar slowdown and pickup. The data does not lie.
Please post the link or info on how to get an XC Course certified.
The final mile was downhill, hence the fast times. Have you considered that in a national meet this competitive, it takes a PR performance to be in the top 25? Plenty of guys did not PR, and that is why they weren't in that top 25. Please consider, because aggregated GPS data tends not to lie. One-off GPS data points can be outliers, but aggregated data doesn't lie.
If 25 kids run a PR on the track at the same time does it make it short?
NC State Insider wrote:
We are glad that you don't believe it. I measured it today. It is 4872 meters but the results are official. Move on.
Well I just now measured it at 5123 meters. See we can all make stuff up.
coachy wrote:
If 25 kids run a PR on the track at the same time does it make it short?
Possibly and probably in your factious example. Would you not be suspect if you needed a 9:00 to get into the fast heat of a high school post season 3200m event, and they allow the top 16 times. These are the best kids in the country and their PRs are from elite meets during the season, state meets, etc, Then at this post season meet the majority of kids all run 20+ second PRs? In the B Race most of the kids who all have 9:20 or faster PRs all drop 30+ seconds?
Nothing to see here, right? The results are final, its a track and has to be correct, right?
coachy wrote:
NC State Insider wrote:
We are glad that you don't believe it. I measured it today. It is 4872 meters but the results are official. Move on.
Well I just now measured it at 5123 meters. See we can all make stuff up.
But the race performances are way too fast for such a silly statement and that would not live up to the billing at the meet.
Steel Tapeless wrote:
coachy wrote:
If 25 kids run a PR on the track at the same time does it make it short?
Possibly and probably in your factious example. Would you not be suspect if you needed a 9:00 to get into the fast heat of a high school post season 3200m event, and they allow the top 16 times. These are the best kids in the country and their PRs are from elite meets during the season, state meets, etc, Then at this post season meet the majority of kids all run 20+ second PRs? In the B Race most of the kids who all have 9:20 or faster PRs all drop 30+ seconds?
Nothing to see here, right? The results are final, its a track and has to be correct, right?
What if the best runners in track typically only run fast 3000 meter races and haven’t been in many competitive 3200s through the year? What if the top runners only did 3200s where the track was dirt? What if in all the other 3200s they weren’t allowed to wear spikes?
That's what happens at Arcadia every year.
blue man wrote:
That's what happens at Arcadia every year.
Isn't Arcadia early in the season?
blue man wrote:
That's what happens at Arcadia every year.
Well then Arcadia is short.