Nijel Amos IN THE FINAL

Put them both through…but that won’t happen

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Pretty obvious to me Amos tripped Jewett and then Amos took a dive.

It's a shame because I think Jewett would contend for a bronze.

Not sure why Amos got into the final.

Pretty obvious to me that one has to have a very biased mind to see this.

One guy falls from incidental contact of his initiation. The other guy falls over him. Not equivalent. No one was disqualified. One guy was reinstated because his run was impeded. The other guy was not reinstated because he fell.

I don't see a fast time coming out of this final. And a surprise medal could come from Peter Bol out of Australia.

Maybe Clayton FTW in 1:43, Amos 2nd, Bol 3rd?

Thoughts?

Looked to me that Jewett ran across (from right to left) in front of Amos and this caused the crash.

I'm hoping Bol. Big chance. Great for Aussie Aths

sdfdsfsdfsdf wrote:

Not sure how none of you can clearly see this, but if you watch the Chris Chavez video on page 2 of this thread, Jewett's right foot contacts the inside of Amos' knee. You can see the bottom of his foot turn abruptly inward (you can clearly see the bottom of the shoe since it is a different color). This causes Jewett's right leg to displace to the left and when he brings his right leg forward, his right foot clips the inside of his left calf, which is where he stumbles. I see it clear as day. Watch it again in slo mo and advance frame by frame with the image zoomed in.

So what exactly are you trying to say?

vella48 wrote:

Amos fell because Jewetts body blocked his path. That's the impediment.

Jewett was not DQd because he did not violate rules, and the initial contact was deemed part of racing. His coming down was not, per the rules, anyone's fault. Amos coming down was because his path was blocked. That's the difference.

Plausible explanation IMO

I finally got a chance to see the race after NBC had basically cleaned the internet of any videos. Jewett did break in without a huge space, but he had been there for maybe 5 seconds before the fall happened. The fall happened right after the Kenyan started going by Amos too close on the outside. What I believe happened was that when he went past Amos, he knocked into him enough to cause Amos to collide with Jewett, causing the fall. Both should be in the final.

Amos even stated that he had a cut on his knee from Jewett's spike. Not advancing Jewett is outrageous.

vella48 wrote:

Amos fell because Jewetts body blocked his path. That's the impediment.

Jewett was not DQd because he did not violate rules, and the initial contact was deemed part of racing. His coming down was not, per the rules, anyone's fault. Amos coming down was because his path was blocked. That's the difference.

I will buy that as an explanation to advance only Amos and move on.

Amos would have survived to incidental clip if Jewett didn't go down.

But there is no way they rerun this race if it happened in the final. Prelims have this built in second chance.

To analyze this further:

The final q was 1:44.30 from the second heat.

In this third heat, Tuka got the second Q in 1:44.53. He was not affected by this fall.

Adding Amos is saying Tuka would have possibly been passed by Amos and Tuka would have been out.

You can't remove Tuka. He finished 2nd and earned his final spot.

Does anyone think Jewett would have passed Tuka and held off Amos?

Jewett positioned himself nicely but Amos was gearing up to make another move (and that's what caused the contact).

If Amos waited a half a beat longer, Rotich would have cleared them both and Amos could have have chased him to the line.

sdfdsfsdfsdf wrote:

animaxcg wrote:

Or all about the rules maybe?

Maybe we should just through out the rules.. races can have fighting. pushing clipping and running on the inside because apparently no one on here likes the rules inplace .. #defundtheworldatheltics

I think the rules are fine. I just think it looks like a clean pass. We can agree to disagree. They take a few strides before the contact happens when Amos moves outside. Not either runner's fault really. Your logic may explain the ruling correctly. I'd just like to hear officially how they made the decision.

That's fair.. I'm all for openess of what the ruling is

yes, as much as I'd love to see Jewett advance, I can see why the judges advanced Amos. You can see Jewett moving past Amos on the outside and then moving back in toward the rail, "cutting off" Amos. It wasn't blatant, but you can see why Jewett was held responsible.

mxkieran wrote:

yes, as much as I'd love to see Jewett advance, I can see why the judges advanced Amos. You can see Jewett moving past Amos on the outside and then moving back in toward the rail, "cutting off" Amos. It wasn't blatant, but you can see why Jewett was held responsible.

Jewett did not cut Amos off and he was not held responsible because of the passing move. That implies he was DQed. He was not.

Amos was advanced because he tripped over the fallen Jewett, not because if the initial contact that caused Jewett to fall.

ok, if Amos caused Jewett to fall, it doesn't make sense to only advance one. I'm trying to to understand the judges' reasoning, if there is any.

purely hypothetical, but if there was contact and only Amos went down, Jewett may have been DQ'd. Since Jewett went down and was out of the race anyway, there was no point in adding insult to injury by DQ-ing him.

dude runs too close to you and you clip his shin. You go down, he goes down. He advances. Makes sense

mxkieran wrote:

ok, if Amos caused Jewett to fall, it doesn't make sense to only advance one. I'm trying to to understand the judges' reasoning, if there is any.

Honestly, they are stretching things to advance Amos.

They are not saying Amos caused Jewett to fall. They are saying no one is at fault for Jewett falling. Incidental contact. So Jewett does not advance.

Next, they are saying the fallen body of Jewett caused Amos to fall (which is true). They use that as a reason to advance Amos.

(I also think that's incidental, but someone in charge wants Amos in the final)

bluedot wrote:

What about Jewett?

He tripped on his own feet and spikes.

mxkieran wrote:

yes, as much as I'd love to see Jewett advance, I can see why the judges advanced Amos. You can see Jewett moving past Amos on the outside and then moving back in toward the rail, "cutting off" Amos. It wasn't blatant, but you can see why Jewett was held responsible.

Some of you seem to be looking for something not there. The ruling as put out there by Hoppel makes no mention of cutting in by anyone. All the ruling was was that it was incidental contact causing Jewett to fall and then there was an impediment to Amos. Nothing more or less.

So you don't have a link.

Thanks.