Australia and New Zealand go into COVID lockdown and reinstate restrictions

Armstronglivs wrote:

dfccc wrote:

You are paranoid, obsessed with the USA.

You think everyone posting here is American. I pity you.

That only amuses me. It's like being kicked by an ant.

It does not bother me.

Australians are waking up and you and your fearmongering buddies will soon be "kicked" by something much bigger than an ant.

And that only amuses me.

Australians are definitely waking up in a big way. We didn’t even see COVID protests on this kind of scale in the United States.

If you take Sydney for instance, this 'outbreak' has hit the south west hardest, with those people being under the harshest lockdowns. This area is filled with first and second generation Australians. A lot of people from places that have seen what things like dictatorships and communism look like first hand, in their own life times. It is full of low income earners that need to travel across Sydney to work and are not allowed to and have insufficient support to ride this out.

So what then is the alternative to protest for them? Durrr take the vax? No. The government keeps harping on about how vaccination will end transmission and therefore the need to lockdown but Israel is showing Pfizer doesn't stop transmission, just hospitalisation. What other plans has the government got? Never ending lockdowns? Military checkpoints? You think people that fled the middle east are going to be comfortable with military involvement in a public health matter?

Main streets are pretty much dying across the state (along with the CBD), small businesses are struggling to survive, people don't have enough money to pay bills, the government changes its views on things every second day and I've seen first hand their tracing and monitoring is a shambles. The states all continually squabble with each other for political points and the commonwealth leadership is about a year behind the pace.

We have a low death count because we are an island and have been able to largely shut out the virus and quarantine it to stop it spreading in the community (especially among the elderly in nursing homes etc. who were basically banned from having visitors for a long stretch). But, the cat's out of the bag now and they have no clue how to stop it. Other than vaccines. Which - Israel...

Armstronglivs wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

600k dead Americans due to Covid is a Big Lie

The lie is yours. As it is with all you Covid-deniers. You are a sick bunch.

Baloney.

94% with at least two other life threatening health issues, median age of over 80, 40% in nursing homes where the median life expectancy is five months.

These people were dying and they died. Covid has very little to do with the vast majority of these deaths.

The Unkle wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The lie is yours. As it is with all you Covid-deniers. You are a sick bunch.

Baloney.

94% with at least two other life threatening health issues, median age of over 80, 40% in nursing homes where the median life expectancy is five months.

These people were dying and they died. Covid has very little to do with the vast majority of these deaths.

And the lies go on.

dfccc wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

That only amuses me. It's like being kicked by an ant.

It does not bother me.

Australians are waking up and you and your fearmongering buddies will soon be "kicked" by something much bigger than an ant.

And that only amuses me.

I've just had my vaccine and I'm feeling great. So tell me about "fear-mongering".

energeticlotuseater wrote:

https://globalnews.ca/news/8057013/australia-covid-lockdown-protests/

Australians are definitely waking up in a big way. We didn’t even see COVID protests on this kind of scale in the United States.

It only proves there are morons everywhere. But America still leads the world. As you show.

The Unkle wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The lie is yours. As it is with all you Covid-deniers. You are a sick bunch.

Baloney.

94% with at least two other life threatening health issues, median age of over 80, 40% in nursing homes where the median life expectancy is five months.

These people were dying and they died. Covid has very little to do with the vast majority of these deaths.

+1

The median age of over 80 (above life expectancy) and the 40% coming out of the nursing homes shows right there the propaganda the Big Pharma controlled CDC used to terrify people of a pretty benevolent coronavirus. The American public is too gullible & influenced too much by the MSM to comprehend this. You're one of the few posting here that does understand.

80+ yr olds are not very healthy & subjected to all kinds of life threatening pathologies, and are usually on a significant number of medications. Nursing homes are simply slow death facilities that try to make dying more pleasant. No elderly person ever goes into a nursing home to get "healthier." Lol.

"Those who are in terrific shape, are young and have no prior illness can, indeed, become critically ill from COVID," said Nina Shapiro, a professor at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and author of the book, "HYPE: A Doctor's Guide to Medical Myths, Exaggerated Claims and Bad Advice."

"Many have died and many will die. In addition, healthy people are continuing to unknowingly spread COVID to the elderly, who, in turn, become quite ill and are at higher risk for death."

"That concept that young people do not get extremely ill and die from COVID-19 is simply not true," said Jakob I. McSparron, associate director of critical care medicine at Michigan Medicine in Ann Arbor.

"The majority of patients in our intensive care unit currently are below 60. There are three patients in their 20s."

Notice how Armstronglivs didn't reply to this post...

Now they are softening people up for a lockdown running until Christmas and all the doomscrollers lap it up. We NEED to lockdown! High case numbers! Vaccination is our way out! The protests were a SUPERSPREADER event! Be a good citizen and dob in the protestors to the police! Hmmm, scoring points by reporting people to the police - I recall that was popular under a certain form of government. Should go down well with the communities of west and southern Slavs (and Vietnamese) in the hardest hit parts of Sydney..

Also, a 38 year old died on the weekend from the coof. Had their first shot. All Australian news sits quickly buried the story or excluded that fact. We all know how it would have gone if they'd been unvaccinated though...

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]Armstronglivs wrote:

But there are still more Covid deaths in the US than any other country in the world.

Kind of at odds with also having had the most people vaccined isn't it?

FAO Liar unkle,here is where you said the US had the most people vaccinated.

Thought about this today - seeing reports of "the Delta variant going wild" and all these case numbers - but where are they coming from? Legitimate question - where are these numbers coming from?

In the United States the reports are of 300k new cases over the last week, but I want to know how we know this. Are people really still getting tested? Because I remember what it was like in the midst of the "regular" Covid wave and there were multiple testing sites open across my city that we jam packed with cars from 8-5. None of these exist anymore and yet there are reported numbers in some cases even higher than what we had with multiple testing sites open.

I'm trying to make sense of this because if we were generating 50k a day numbers with testing sites all open and people really wanting to get tested and now the reality is the complete opposite (basically only small clinics open and nobody cares about being tested because in all the states where people did, the majority have been vaccinated).

Final point, uh, isn't this what viruses do anyway? It's kind of like we forgot as species that this is what happens. The Spanish Flu still exists. Out of the 3 main influenza types (A,B and C) there are 144 sub types of the A version alone out there. This is what happens no? So I'm trying to figure out

1) How we are getting these numbers and

2) Why there is panic that this virus has a sub-type almost 2 years into it (very normal).

In all seriousness you have to think what the game plan is of the Australian government at this point.

Logically, as the lockdowns continue, people are going to be getting angrier and the protests larger/more aggressive. One could counter that by saying as vaccines are more available lockdowns won’t be as necessary but I don’t know how true that is.

Many of the cases we see in Australia are among the already vaccinated. Seeing as the Australian government is obviously willing to lockdown society over even the smallest number of COVID cases I don’t know if Australia can just “vaccinate out” of the lockdown stage of COVID unless the government just reconciles with the fact there will be at least a few 100 COVID positive people in their country at all time.

a pretty pickle wrote:

In all seriousness you have to think what the game plan is of the Australian government at this point.

Logically, as the lockdowns continue, people are going to be getting angrier and the protests larger/more aggressive. One could counter that by saying as vaccines are more available lockdowns won’t be as necessary but I don’t know how true that is.

Many of the cases we see in Australia are among the already vaccinated. Seeing as the Australian government is obviously willing to lockdown society over even the smallest number of COVID cases I don’t know if Australia can just “vaccinate out” of the lockdown stage of COVID unless the government just reconciles with the fact there will be at least a few 100 COVID positive people in their country at all time.

The Australian government is going to be voted out in its current form or they, and the people of Australia, will have to change their expectations on COVID. At this point the unfortunate truth is that COVID is not going away. The vaccine will of course help mitigate the effects of the virus but the virus will still spread and some people, although increasingly rare with vaccinations, will get seriously sick.

man dien under wrote:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-25/four-local-areas-of-sydney-to-lock-down-as-delta-cluster-spreadshttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/wellington-may-face-covid-lockdown-visit-infected-australian-tourist-new-zealand

New Zealand and Australia, once touted as the prime examples of how to handle COVID, go into yet another lockdown and reinstate restrictions while the rest of the first world start to leave COVID behind.

Do these two countries have a game plan on how to vaccinate their people and/or stop constantly locking down? It appears neither country have evolved since the first day of COVID response (simply shutdown their respective countries).

They only just received their vaccines. Europe and America soaked up the stock.

The kept people alive with lock downs and masking.

You need to read other than headlines, and realize that not all countries got the resources at the same time.

And, they have way fewer dead.

Waitasec wrote:

Hopefully you fall off the roof and land on your head, might knock some sense into you.

Last 7 days I've got 180k's logged outside. I think I'm good for health tips from the letsrun handy man

Found out which side of hammer to hold yet?

You were probably one of the morans protesting the other day.

Waitasec wrote:

Now they are softening people up for a lockdown running until Christmas and all the doomscrollers lap it up. We NEED to lockdown! High case numbers! Vaccination is our way out! The protests were a SUPERSPREADER event! Be a good citizen and dob in the protestors to the police! Hmmm, scoring points by reporting people to the police - I recall that was popular under a certain form of government. Should go down well with the communities of west and southern Slavs (and Vietnamese) in the hardest hit parts of Sydney..

Also, a 38 year old died on the weekend from the coof. Had their first shot. All Australian news sits quickly buried the story or excluded that fact. We all know how it would have gone if they'd been unvaccinated though...

Why are you such a blatant liar? What is your goal?

1) There is no talk of lockdown until Christmas, none

2) The protesters are morans, and none of them coming from the working class, construction workers etc from the western suburbs. If you were there I would dob you in. The cowards that didn't wear masks were all masked up to avoid their faces being on TV as they came out on bail the next day...what heroes ...tails between legs.

"we don't want lock down, lets spread it so they can klock us down"...no lock them up

3)Biggest lie...out of all the unidentified deaths, this lady was actually in several front page reports, with photos, ID and life story, comments fromm friends and family.

She wasn't vaccinated, and her family is appalled at the behaviour of people like you, the deniers and protesters

Read here moran

Look who's back! The moron that can't even spell moron