Tim Cheruiyot Skipping Bislett Games Dream Mile To Plant Potatoes

Do you think the Kenyans will lay low for a while and then maybe restart their program next year in prep for the WCs?

And what about the Ethiopians? Do you think the Kiprop bust sent some shockwaves over there causing some concern? Or will Ethiopia see this an opportunity to ramp up their program and go full throttle really sticking it to their rivals?

it all depends on who is targeted to be tested. tim has to know the eyes are on him now ducking the dream mile like he just did.

what meets coming up have strict testing?

i dont have the rest of the summer schedule.....and berlin is what sept 16 is approx 14 weeks away, im not tooo in on marathons but i would think right now is right at the end of the base phase? so EPO saucing would be prime time right now. if the marathon runners are getting tested now they are prob sweating hard. i could see a 2:05, and some excuse being weather or pacing or whatever

I think you misunderstand a great deal. How many times have I said that the faith in drugs goes all the way to the top? Pick whatever prevalence figures you want, from 14% to 57% or more, I do not doubt that doping is prevalent even at the top. I expect a few doping positives like we've seen in different events: 2 out of the top 16, or 3 out of the top 30, or 2 out of the top 50. In the case of the women, in events requiring more strength, I expect the prevalence at the top to be higher, because of male hormones. Where I part from the faithful masses is how much potential benefit is possible from doping, at the top. I expect, at the very least, diminishing returns, or at worst, negative returns. The point of showing El G's survey results is to show how ambiguous public opinion is for the best Moroccan miler -- not quite 50/50 but not far from that either. Saying "I believe El G is clean" will put you in the company of 43% of the public (survey respondents). It wasn't to express any lack of sureness on my part, but the lack of unanimity on the part of the public, some of who would ridicule the claim "El G is clean." I don't give Lagat the benefit of the doubt, because the full report left no doubt: "All experts present agreed that the urine of Mr. Bernard Lagat did not contain any recombinant erythropoietin (rhEpo) and he therefore had not committed Epo-doping." What do I say now? Pretty much the same thing as before Kiprop's bust -- you can't prove general rules with logical fallacies and leaps of faith.

What's up with this? wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

You should rethink, and just speak for yourself.

Oh please...recreational runner. You know you're in disbelief & shock because you never believed that runners "at the top" use EPO. The #1 guy EL G - you weren't sure if he doped citing some stupid poll that showed a high percentage of people thought he was clean. The #2 guy, Lagat, had an "A" sample hot for EPO but his "B" sample was not confirmed - so you gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now the #3 guy and only one of three to ever run under 3:27 is positive for EPO. What do you say now? Oh...wait a minute...I remember; you believe he just started doping a week or two before the testers came a calling. ?

That 800m front run is faster than Manangoi’s time in Doha. How the tables have turned between the two training partners.

https://twitter.com/tim_cheruiyot/status/1007964069272408064?s=21

man on man look at that crowd...must be cause the tickets cost $32 more than the tea!

^ Prison championships, essentially a company sports day. 80,000 capacity stadium and we don't have that many prison wardens in Kenya (we're not America the so-called "land of the free"). But carry on trumpeting your ignorance.

"Faith in drugs?" "Logical fallacies?" You're not paying attention to the scientific evidence of oxygen-vector doping (I'll consolidate rEPO & blood doping into O2-vector doping as they both achieve the same results, and there are more ABP sanctions for blood doping as rEPO positives post-ABP):

Recently published meta-analysis on rEPO and endurance exercise:

Dr. Joyner's paper from the BMJ:

A blood transfusion study from 1987:

- RBC infusion with highly-trained 10k runners showed an average improvement upon infusion (400ml) of 1 min 9 secs over controls.

m!ndweak wrote:

man on man look at that crowd...must be cause the tickets cost $32 more than the tea!

I suggest you contact Karl Hungus.

I've paid attention to them now.

Doped to the Max wrote:

You're not paying attention to the scientific evidence of oxygen-vector doping.

Tim is still on track for his best season ever. He successfully defended his national title, meaning he's made the team for the African Championships where he hopes to picked to represent Africa at the Athletics World Cup.

https://twitter.com/tim_cheruiyot/status/1010507441518383105

I think this was already posted at the time, but at the end of May (so just AFTER Kiprop's bust was public) Tim was boasting that he was going to run 3:26 in Monaco this year and specifically stating that he would be only the fourth man to do so. The three who have are El G, Lagat, and Kiprop. Kiprop - his countryman - obviously just being busted for EPO, Lagat once failing a test, and El G being obvious beyond words that he was EPO fuelled. This guy must be either completely simple minded or just not give a hoot as to whether people think he's on the sauce too.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-05/28/c_137212942.htm

Not Buying It wrote:

why do you insist n this? wrote:

Why is this relevant?

There are great runners who are not even on Twitter.

Like who? ?

Almaz Ayana has zero personal social media accounts across any forum - her management company tries to give her a profile but she never posts personally - she cant speaking only Amharic and other national Ethiopian dialects, no English

Africans Are Humble wrote:

Not Buying It wrote:

Like who? ?

Almaz Ayana has zero personal social media accounts across any forum - her management company tries to give her a profile but she never posts personally - she cant speaking only Amharic and other national Ethiopian dialects, no English

Remember Jerry Maguire, "You had me at hello?"

In this case, "You had me laughing my head off with Almaz Ayana." Here's a runner who seldom races, has no marketability, but can almost break the w5000m WR in the second half of a major 10,000m final. Her records are as credible as the East Germans.

I wish these loons would stop derailing this thread.

El Keniano wrote:

I wish these loons would stop derailing this thread.

This thread was crap from post number one so what did you expect?

Start with a troll post and the lestrun trolling sharks will smell blood.

Tim confirms he’s running Paris. Can’t wait to see if the break has done him good. Hopefully improvement will be significant.

https://twitter.com/dennisokeyo/status/1011994152555466754?s=21

ex-runner wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

I wish these loons would stop derailing this thread.

This thread was crap from post number one so what did you expect?

Start with a troll post and the lestrun trolling sharks will smell blood.

How is reporting fact and my own opinion trolling?