I have never defended Rupp.
I have never defended Rupp.
hey a duck/jack frost, oh wait same person.
You guys are totally blind. Is there any concerete evidence, no, but that will never come out because Nike owns IAAF and USATF, they will never let their golden boy or golden coach be exposed. Heck rupp was obviously doping when he beat beardsley by 1 second. He even needed help of motorcades to do so.
so sad al sal is a cheating scumbag.
2B Banned in the Future wrote:
So how is Armstrong using at below the detection and allowable limit different from Rupp using something new that hasn't been banned yet? The same thing will happen to Rupp, a future ban will be imposed retroactively, and new testing will be used to retest "what-were-once-clean" old samples. Rupp will fall for something he thinks is okay to do now.
Armstrong thought the same, and was proven wrong. You also need to remember that Armstrong went down due to accusations by his peers. Rupp's best safety net is not having peers--domestiques--like Armstrong had. Always limited the insiders to keep the secret as long as possible.
Yes, I'm well aware that Lance was outed by his peers, hence my reference to Roberts, Anderson, and Landis. Although USPS had more riders over time on their team, Salazar has coached numerous athletes who are no longer part of the program (Brown, Webb, Gouchiers, just to name a few) and had others (Magness, physios, etc.) directly involved and yet no one has come forth with allegations of PED use. Very different from Lance's situation.
With Rupp, this message board has tried and convicted him of doping despite not a single allegation from within their inner circle. With Armstrong, he was strongly defended on this message board even after mountains evidence had been produced indicating he was a fraud. I wonder how many people on here who stuck behind Lance for so long have been the same ones pointing a finger at Rupp?
Lance had a large inner circle. Rupp has a very small one. Rupp has an advantage. If Lance had a very small inner circle he would have remained in the clear.
No, Landis was in the very small inner circle. Same for Hamilton.
You don't think Webb, the Gouchers, and Magness were very part of that small inner circle?
jack frost wrote:
I agree. I still haven't learned how to fully accept people anonymously insulting people I know, respect, and admire (on both personal and athletic levels) with no rhyme or reason.
I chose to veil, albeit somewhat thinly, my identity because I would prefer this thread not derail my professional life.
? No one knows who the heck you are. Explain how you have *direct knowledge* of who is on what meds in the two Nike groups. Perhaps you have been told something by someone you trust, but 1) that person may not know the truth 2) that person may not be telling the truth. Unless you have direct knowledge, you are just sharing a personal opinion. No different than the guy who thinks Rupp injected adrenaline because someone told him so.
No, Rupp's inner circle is very small. None of his fellow NOP athletes would be "real" insiders.
Riverdale Runner wrote:
girlyman wrote:He lost credibility with me during the london olympics. They showed video of him and farah warming up for the 5k in the tunnel. In the corner Rupp taking a nice big hit of his inhaler. In fact thats when the Olympics lost credibility with me. If You can an inhalor before an Olympic 5k final for bronchodilation due to asthma, seriously whats the point?
I take a hit of an inhaler before I race. It helps me avoid dying.
Agreed. I also have asthma. My inhaler allows me to actually finish races without dropping out every time. Galen has asthma and it was hot/humid that day in London. I'm fine with him taking his inhaler.
Concerning the mask, how many times did he really wear that thing? Once or twice? Come on. They don't even use it anymore. It was obviously an experimental thing. And if it helped him so much why would he throw it off with several laps to go?
Don't get me wrong, I think Rupp is boosting his performance using thyroid hormone and possibly some other stuff. But I'm not about to take sides with Solinsky. Both of them ran fast at a young age. Rupp still has yet to beat Solinsky's outdoor 5k time.
Furthermore, Solinsky's DEBUT 10k was 26:59, and that doesn't raise eyebrows? Are you kidding me?!
If I'm going to question Rupp's legitimacy, I'm also going to question Solinsky's.
Was it around the time people were running under 26:20, 12:40 and 7:25?
cbenson4 wrote: Furthermore, Solinsky's DEBUT 10k was 26:59, and that doesn't raise eyebrows? Are you kidding me?!
If I'm going to question Rupp's legitimacy, I'm also going to question Solinsky's.
Why are you attacking Solinsky? Just because you feel Rupp is being attacked?
Debut 10k wrote:
cbenson4 wrote: Furthermore, Solinsky's DEBUT 10k was 26:59, and that doesn't raise eyebrows? Are you kidding me?!If I'm going to question Rupp's legitimacy, I'm also going to question Solinsky's.
Why are you attacking Solinsky? Just because you feel Rupp is being attacked?
Don't think he was attacking Solinsky just asking why there is so much certainty from one, possibly two people on this thread that Rupp is cheating based all gut feelings or less, and yet Solinsky runs his first 10K ever under 27:00. I don't think Solinsky did anything shady, but imagine if Rupp had never run longer than 5K and then pops 26:59 on his first 10k. Imagine those cheating calls.
Do you actually believe there are most Rupp supporters posting here, but only 1 or 2 non-supporters posting? There seem to be an equal number of both sides.
Jack frost the jerk wrote:
I love how OP titles this thread "in defense of galen" and then in one of his first posts states "My main point wasn't about Galen's purported use of thyroid, it was about its use by others than has gone unquestioned and ignored during a time frame when he has been publicly attacked by Virgin, Fam., Fleshman, et al.
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So are you defending him or attacking others buddy?
point is Galen used a drug that gave him a competitive advantage. A hormone enhancing drug!! obviously it's had major benefits for him...
This is the same problem I have with this thread. Frost opens his "defense", by accusing the other Nike group of using Thyroid meds, and claiming that the NOP is unfairly targeted among thyroid using groups.
Of course, he has offered no proof, other than his assurances and personal account of a friend's journey with the Wisco crew. None of these people are named or referenced in any way.
How is this any better than LRC message posters, claiming to have heard that NOP is dirty? Without names or attributed research, it's all just rumors and hearsay. If anything, stoking the fire of unsubstantiated rumors will only increase the Rupp accusations on these boards.
And why the hell are people dragging Magness into this? If he has something to say, let HIM say it...I'm sure he reads these boards.
Debut 10k wrote:
Do you actually believe there are most Rupp supporters posting here, but only 1 or 2 non-supporters posting? There seem to be an equal number of both sides.
Don't know but there are obviously a couple, maybe 3-4 max who are hell bent on attacking him on this and a couple other threads. It is very obvious because they may start with some attempt at a discussion but then delve quickly into personal assaults.
It's not an accusation, as I've stated before. I was merely pointing out one large, gaping example of a double standard. Still no one will refute that they aren't on the thyroid meds, because it's true.
No, there are more than 3-4 posters who are not fans of Rupp. There are not as many fans of Rupp posting as you think. Both sides are playing the same game.
Debut 10k wrote:
cbenson4 wrote: Furthermore, Solinsky's DEBUT 10k was 26:59, and that doesn't raise eyebrows? Are you kidding me?!If I'm going to question Rupp's legitimacy, I'm also going to question Solinsky's.
Why are you attacking Solinsky? Just because you feel Rupp is being attacked?
I'm not attacking anybody. I'm questioning both Rupp and Solinsky, and rightfully so. I'm not a Rupp supporter, but you'd know that if you took the time to actually read my full post. In fact, earlier in this same thread, I straight-up accused Rupp of being on PEDs. I am not a Rupp supporter. I am not a Solinsky supporter. In my book they are both questionable.
Want more proof of my opinion? How's this:
I think anyone who can drop from 27:09 to 26:48 in one year AND can run a 4:01 mile at the end of a hard workout after an 8:07 2 mile is on drugs (That's Rupp).
There. Happy now?
I totally understand defending Rupp. I think he's a good kid who's a little different, but that's fine. I read Salazar's book in 07 and I think he does push the technological aspect that running has taken on. I don't think any of those people have cheated either.
What I don't understand is your attack on Solinsky. His times weren't that far off Rupp's in high school, and he's only gotten more fit since. I have met Chris, and can say to you that he is not on anything illegal. Personally, I think that if Alberto would have been able to help advise and coach Chris with the long-term approach that he takes with his athletes that Chris may have avoided his 2011 injury. That being said, the groups have done their best to be rivals rather than resources, which is unfortunate. I think Jerry is a great coach, and between Alberto and him, I think they could have had something going back in 2010-11.
Galen Rupp would be more likeable if he didn't come off as such a grade-A p_ssy in every sense of the word
MRP KY runner wrote:
I totally understand defending Rupp. I think he's a good kid who's a little different, but that's fine. I read Salazar's book in 07 and I think he does push the technological aspect that running has taken on. I don't think any of those people have cheated either.
What I don't understand is your attack on Solinsky. His times weren't that far off Rupp's in high school, and he's only gotten more fit since. I have met Chris, and can say to you that he is not on anything illegal. Personally, I think that if Alberto would have been able to help advise and coach Chris with the long-term approach that he takes with his athletes that Chris may have avoided his 2011 injury. That being said, the groups have done their best to be rivals rather than resources, which is unfortunate. I think Jerry is a great coach, and between Alberto and him, I think they could have had something going back in 2010-11.
I don't think Chris was dirty, but how many people in the world have done a debut 10K under 27:00? It's remarkable. I certainly don't think it's impossible to do clean, especially given his ability at 5K and what kind of training he was doing with Guys like Teg and some of the other 10K 1/2 marathon guys in the group back then. He was super fit, doing lots of volume, got in a perfect race and rode on a train with no pressure and then, boom, he closed it out with everything clicking and probably a good shot of adrenaline when he realized what he was doing.
But the people who detract from Rupp would never give him that benefit of reason.