fgfg wrote:
webb is plaining to peak again as a master he'll be training throught the 3 or 4 olympics before then
This is on par with the webb fan base "LOGIC."
fgfg wrote:
webb is plaining to peak again as a master he'll be training throught the 3 or 4 olympics before then
This is on par with the webb fan base "LOGIC."
I wish Webb the best and hope that the running community will show him more support.
If you had the chance to talk with Webb right now, what would you tell him?
I would encourage him. I would point to athletes who have had incredible success at later stages in their careers. Webb is only 26. El G won 2 golds in '04 when he was about 30. Lagat doubled at the world championships in '07 when he was about 33. KD, who is still running well, ran 1:43 for 800 in '06 when he was 30.
Maybe he should join Rupp and Ritz in training...
Why would you retain your coach from high school despite your withering career, unless he could blackmail you with intimate knowledge of almost a decade of performance enhancing substances?
Can't be all coaching, although Alan should have jettisoned coach R long ago, it can't be all mental, although Alan isn't the strongest in that regard. Something I believe is not quite right with the body Webb. Just IMHO.
At least he has Lukezic to join him in the same boat of disappointment vs. talent.
old geezer wrote:
In a recent Steve Scott interview, he thought that the problem was over training, and that the solution was 1 to 6 to 12 months of rest.
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That's good advice from Steve Scott! Sometimes the best training is no training.
Tinman wrote:
old geezer wrote:In a recent Steve Scott interview, he thought that the problem was over training, and that the solution was 1 to 6 to 12 months of rest.
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That's good advice from Steve Scott! Sometimes the best training is no training.
Amen to that!
One of the major traits on being consistent as a runner is to have a consistent training/racing program. A runners training program should be designed like a Pyramid. You start with a base of distance or what I call strength training. This means training with long runs, long intervals and short rests on the track. The wider the base, the higher the point of the pyramid, which means you should run at a higher level. As the season progresses, you do less intervals, faster with longer rests. Simply speaking, these workouts are faster than race pace. This formula works if you’re a marathoner or a 100 meter runner. Of course there are some modifications depending on your event, but the philosophy is basically the same. The great runners, year after year follow this training program. As they elevate to faster Pr and more consistent racing, you don’t stop the program. You start from scratch each year when you finish your racing season and start your training regime. You do the 20 miles runs, running twice a day. It’s important that you do some kind of interval running during your training. Each interval session should be at least five miles in duration. You don’t have to do this on a track. I once coached a team and we did interval distances around a nice large field with a nice sized hill to run up and a gradual hill to run down. It was to me the perfect place for a distance runner to train in the off season. I am not one to do a fast tempo run, some intervals, a tempo run and intervals. Once you start the intervals, you stay with them till you’re finished. You start the season at a 400 meter or mile base time. As the season progresses the time drops by a pre-determined increment. As the season progresses, you are always running the same effort. If the effort for a 1600 is let’s say 5:00 pace, a month later, the same effort would be 4:50. So your practice times will always be dropping and you will always be working the same effort. Plus the cycle of the workouts should be designed so that a certain point of a workout you will be going through the same physiological cycle of fatigue or lactic acid buildup that you would be feeling during a similar point of a race. This way, you are always pushing the physiological and psychological limits. Now when you get to that certain point of fatigue in a race, not only do you know how to push through, you can. We seem to forget the mental part of training. Running is as much if not more mental as physical. When I coached and put this philosophy to work, my runners never got hurt and they were strongest throughout the every season and were running PR’s during the racing season. A lot of coaches talk about how speed creates endurance. This can be true for a short term and you will see runners doing very well. But over the long term, you will find runners pulling muscles and getting stress fractures. If you expect to run fast in July, you can’t be running faster than PR race pace in February or March. The other problem with running faster than race PR pace is that you are only going to be able to improve by a small % of improvement for a very short period of time. Then when you start your training, you go back to the speed training and guess what? There is no strength or distance base and you will find out quickly that there is usually nothing in the tank other than leg turnover for a short period of time, and then injuries will do you in as your work harder and harder to get back to that magic time of a year ago. You can run fast doing speed training, but you will be like a comet that will blaze across the sky and die. The guy who wins the 100 is the guy who slows down the least. You can run a sub 4 minute mile, but you won’t be able to run a string of 10 or 20 of them in a season. If you follow this formula of training year after year and you will be consistent and you will always be improving (and not getting hurt) till you finally get to that age where it’s time to move on to the masters races. If Mr. Webb wants to get back on top, he needs to stop all of this crazy cross training, power static stretching, and god knows what else for 6 hours a day? You warm up, do a bit of stretching to make sure you’re loose, run hard warm down do and do a little stretching before you shower and go home. You should be running 30-45 minutes in the morning and 1.5 hours in the afternoon. Weight training is important, but you only do it a couple of times a week usually during days that you run distance. Some upper body stuff, some light leg weights, and that’s it. You don’t need to be on the weight lifting team. Its simple to be a great runner. To be an Olympic Champion takes a special person who can pinpoint a day on a calendar and is ready to take on all comers. If you were to run an Olympic Final with the same runners ten times during the season, the same guy will always win, because he is the runner that has prepared the best and ready for whatever is thrown at him. We already know that Webb has had the ability to run fast, but he has yet to prove he can race with the world’s best and win. He has the ability, but until he better understands his shortcomings and changes, he will always fall short….
Thank you Mr. Know ItAll.
vcartier wrote:
One of the major traits on being consistent as a runner is to have a consistent training/racing program. A runners training program should be designed like a Pyramid. You start with a base of distance or what I call strength training. This means training with long runs, long intervals and short rests on the track. The wider the base, the higher the point of the pyramid, which means you should run at a higher level. As the season progresses, you do less intervals, faster with longer rests. Simply speaking, these workouts are faster than race pace. This formula works if you’re a marathoner or a 100 meter runner. Of course there are some modifications depending on your event, but the philosophy is basically the same. The great runners, year after year follow this training program. As they elevate to faster Pr and more consistent racing, you don’t stop the program. You start from scratch each year when you finish your racing season and start your training regime. You do the 20 miles runs, running twice a day. It’s important that you do some kind of interval running during your training. Each interval session should be at least five miles in duration. You don’t have to do this on a track. I once coached a team and we did interval distances around a nice large field with a nice sized hill to run up and a gradual hill to run down. It was to me the perfect place for a distance runner to train in the off season. I am not one to do a fast tempo run, some intervals, a tempo run and intervals. Once you start the intervals, you stay with them till you’re finished. You start the season at a 400 meter or mile base time. As the season progresses the time drops by a pre-determined increment. As the season progresses, you are always running the same effort. If the effort for a 1600 is let’s say 5:00 pace, a month later, the same effort would be 4:50. So your practice times will always be dropping and you will always be working the same effort. Plus the cycle of the workouts should be designed so that a certain point of a workout you will be going through the same physiological cycle of fatigue or lactic acid buildup that you would be feeling during a similar point of a race. This way, you are always pushing the physiological and psychological limits. Now when you get to that certain point of fatigue in a race, not only do you know how to push through, you can. We seem to forget the mental part of training. Running is as much if not more mental as physical. When I coached and put this philosophy to work, my runners never got hurt and they were strongest throughout the every season and were running PR’s during the racing season. A lot of coaches talk about how speed creates endurance. This can be true for a short term and you will see runners doing very well. But over the long term, you will find runners pulling muscles and getting stress fractures. If you expect to run fast in July, you can’t be running faster than PR race pace in February or March. The other problem with running faster than race PR pace is that you are only going to be able to improve by a small % of improvement for a very short period of time. Then when you start your training, you go back to the speed training and guess what? There is no strength or distance base and you will find out quickly that there is usually nothing in the tank other than leg turnover for a short period of time, and then injuries will do you in as your work harder and harder to get back to that magic time of a year ago. You can run fast doing speed training, but you will be like a comet that will blaze across the sky and die. The guy who wins the 100 is the guy who slows down the least. You can run a sub 4 minute mile, but you won’t be able to run a string of 10 or 20 of them in a season. If you follow this formula of training year after year and you will be consistent and you will always be improving (and not getting hurt) till you finally get to that age where it’s time to move on to the masters races. If Mr. Webb wants to get back on top, he needs to stop all of this crazy cross training, power static stretching, and god knows what else for 6 hours a day? You warm up, do a bit of stretching to make sure you’re loose, run hard warm down do and do a little stretching before you shower and go home. You should be running 30-45 minutes in the morning and 1.5 hours in the afternoon. Weight training is important, but you only do it a couple of times a week usually during days that you run distance. Some upper body stuff, some light leg weights, and that’s it. You don’t need to be on the weight lifting team. Its simple to be a great runner. To be an Olympic Champion takes a special person who can pinpoint a day on a calendar and is ready to take on all comers. If you were to run an Olympic Final with the same runners ten times during the season, the same guy will always win, because he is the runner that has prepared the best and ready for whatever is thrown at him. We already know that Webb has had the ability to run fast, but he has yet to prove he can race with the world’s best and win. He has the ability, but until he better understands his shortcomings and changes, he will always fall short….
there was never even a .5% chance i would read a word of that. the best writing is brief. the end.
Huh sorry, I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to read your essay. At least, use the return key and extra lines once in a while, thanks.
what??? wrote:
Huh sorry, I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to read your essay. At least, use the return key and extra lines once in a while, thanks.
Shut up moron, thanks.
Interesting interview with former American record holder Steve Scott. He says Webb is overtrained and that he went through the same thing and it pretty much ruined his career as well.
Not sure I agree with him but interesting to hear what he has to say.
It's not about overtraining.
It's not about peaking.
It's not about injuries.
It's about Webb not having the killer instinct on the track. His head isn't in it. He's the poster boy for "head case".
vcartier wrote:
One of the major traits on being consistent as a runner is to have a consistent training/racing program. A runners training program should be designed like a Pyramid. You start with a base of distance or what I call strength training. This means training with long runs, long intervals and short rests on the track. The wider the base, the higher the point of the pyramid, which means you should run at a higher level. As the season progresses, you do less intervals, faster with longer rests. Simply speaking, these workouts are faster than race pace. This formula works if you’re a marathoner or a 100 meter runner. Of course there are some modifications depending on your event, but the philosophy is basically the same. The great runners, year after year follow this training program. As they elevate to faster Pr and more consistent racing, you don’t stop the program. You start from scratch each year when you finish your racing season and start your training regime. You do the 20 miles runs, running twice a day. It’s important that you do some kind of interval running during your training. Each interval session should be at least five miles in duration. You don’t have to do this on a track. I once coached a team and we did interval distances around a nice large field with a nice sized hill to run up and a gradual hill to run down. It was to me the perfect place for a distance runner to train in the off season. I am not one to do a fast tempo run, some intervals, a tempo run and intervals. Once you start the intervals, you stay with them till you’re finished. You start the season at a 400 meter or mile base time. As the season progresses the time drops by a pre-determined increment. As the season progresses, you are always running the same effort. If the effort for a 1600 is let’s say 5:00 pace, a month later, the same effort would be 4:50. So your practice times will always be dropping and you will always be working the same effort. Plus the cycle of the workouts should be designed so that a certain point of a workout you will be going through the same physiological cycle of fatigue or lactic acid buildup that you would be feeling during a similar point of a race. This way, you are always pushing the physiological and psychological limits. Now when you get to that certain point of fatigue in a race, not only do you know how to push through, you can. We seem to forget the mental part of training. Running is as much if not more mental as physical. When I coached and put this philosophy to work, my runners never got hurt and they were strongest throughout the every season and were running PR’s during the racing season. A lot of coaches talk about how speed creates endurance. This can be true for a short term and you will see runners doing very well. But over the long term, you will find runners pulling muscles and getting stress fractures. If you expect to run fast in July, you can’t be running faster than PR race pace in February or March. The other problem with running faster than race PR pace is that you are only going to be able to improve by a small % of improvement for a very short period of time. Then when you start your training, you go back to the speed training and guess what? There is no strength or distance base and you will find out quickly that there is usually nothing in the tank other than leg turnover for a short period of time, and then injuries will do you in as your work harder and harder to get back to that magic time of a year ago. You can run fast doing speed training, but you will be like a comet that will blaze across the sky and die. The guy who wins the 100 is the guy who slows down the least. You can run a sub 4 minute mile, but you won’t be able to run a string of 10 or 20 of them in a season. If you follow this formula of training year after year and you will be consistent and you will always be improving (and not getting hurt) till you finally get to that age where it’s time to move on to the masters races. If Mr. Webb wants to get back on top, he needs to stop all of this crazy cross training, power static stretching, and god knows what else for 6 hours a day? You warm up, do a bit of stretching to make sure you’re loose, run hard warm down do and do a little stretching before you shower and go home. You should be running 30-45 minutes in the morning and 1.5 hours in the afternoon. Weight training is important, but you only do it a couple of times a week usually during days that you run distance. Some upper body stuff, some light leg weights, and that’s it. You don’t need to be on the weight lifting team. Its simple to be a great runner. To be an Olympic Champion takes a special person who can pinpoint a day on a calendar and is ready to take on all comers. If you were to run an Olympic Final with the same runners ten times during the season, the same guy will always win, because he is the runner that has prepared the best and ready for whatever is thrown at him. We already know that Webb has had the ability to run fast, but he has yet to prove he can race with the world’s best and win. He has the ability, but until he better understands his shortcomings and changes, he will always fall short….
ha
Kant's Critique of Pure Reason
He ran a sub 4 mile in highschool... it makes no sense that he shouldnt be running at least sub 3:45 consistently as a pro
it is over for alan webb it was a long time ago it is sad to see but true
To the guy that wrote the huge essay and everybody else that gives advice to Webb about training. Webb knows how to train. His coach knows how to train him. They've turned him into the fastest miler in the world after El G retired. Webb has been overtrained/hurt the past two years. Relax. He'll be back. But it's seriously ridiculous when random people post advice about his training when they know nothing about his training.
Webb has said that in 08 he overtrained a little in the fall/winter. That got him hurt and set him back strengthwise. He got back and had to rush into shape for the trials. This year he said he's had nagging injuries again. Webb only has like 5 more years in his career. In my opinion, he'd be crazy to leave Raczko. They've been through all the tough times in his career together and he's come out of them better than ever just when everyone lost hope in him.
summer wrote:
It's not about overtraining.
It's not about peaking.
It's not about injuries.
It's about Webb not having the killer instinct on the track. His head isn't in it. He's the poster boy for "head case".
You have obviously never been injured or overtrained. It is quite apparent that something is physically wrong with Alan. You can even look at his gait and tell that it's not what it was in '07. Do you honestly believe that the "killer instinct" just magically disappeared after 2007. I hope you don't ever coach. I can see you now with an anemic high school girl, telling her that she's just not tough enough.
if anything he has too much 'killer' instinct... your statement comes off as naivebekele, coe, gebreselassie, viren... i'm pretty sure their killer instinct had nothing to do with them being greatsure they were competitive but it is/was their ability to stay calm and composed before and during races that allowed them to win, to be championsvisually (and based on how he has raced) webb is far from calm and composed, he thinks he needs to psyche himself into the race... on the contrary he needs to compose himself and evaluate races as it unfolds and let his heart and fitness speak for themselves
summer wrote:
It's not about overtraining.
It's not about peaking.
It's not about injuries.
It's about Webb not having the killer instinct on the track. His head isn't in it. He's the poster boy for "head case".
So now even Dorian Ulrey ia too much for Webb to handle. This guy probably won't even make it to the WCs.
This would be ok if Webb was at the tail end of his career not in the middle of it.