It has been said already but let's say it again. We divide sports by sex because males are bigger, stronger, and faster than females. It is not a fair competition. We have different changing facilities because males are sexually more aggressive (Fact: # of male sex offenders versus female sex offenders). Look at reality. This year the female NXN winner ran the best race ever for a female on the course. She would have come in tied for 86th in the male race. 99 runners in the male race would have beaten the previous female record. XY needs to compete against XY. XX needs to compete against XX. XY needs to use XY facilities. XX needs to use XX facilities. This is a societal issue, not an individual preference issue.
And what about intersex people?
Are you saying if I do have De La Chapelles it is justified to compete with girls?
“The new policy, which takes effect Monday, will require transgender competitors to have completed their transition by age 12 to be able to compete in women's competitions.”
Swimming's world governing body, FINA, has voted to restrict the participation of transgender athletes in elite women's competitions and create a working group to establish an "open" category for them in some events.
“The new policy, which takes effect Monday, will require transgender competitors to have completed their transition by age 12 to be able to compete in women's competitions.”
I've found that the media can't be trusted to report details of sports policies accurately. It's best to go to the policies themselves and read what they say.
Here's what the FINA policy adopted in June 2022 says:
Male-to-female transgender athletes (transgender women) and athletes with 46 XY DSD whose legal gender and/or gender identity is female are eligible to compete in the women’s category in World Aquatics competitions and to set World Aquatics World Records in the women’s category in World Aquatics competitions and in other events recognised by World Aquatics if they can establish to World Aquatics’ comfortable satisfaction that they have not experienced any part of male puberty beyond Tanner Stage 2 or before age 12, whichever is later.
Male-to-female transgender athletes (transgender women) and athletes with 46 XY DSD whose legal gender and/or gender identity is female are eligible to compete in the women’s category in World Aquatics competitions and to set World Aquatics World Records in the women’s category in World Aquatics competitions and in other events recognised by World Aquatics if they can establish to World Aquatics’ comfortable satisfaction that they have not experienced any part of male puberty beyond Tanner Stage 2 or before age 12, whichever is later.
Specifically, the athlete must produce evidence establishing that:
i. They have complete androgen insensitivity and therefore could not experience male puberty;
or
ii. They are androgen sensitive but had male puberty suppressed beginning at Tanner Stage 2 or before age 12, whichever is later, and they have since continuously maintaine ed their testosterone levels in serum (or plasma) below 2.5 nmol/L.
[For purposes of the Policy, all measurements of serum testosterone must be conducted by means of iquid chromatography coupled with mass spectrometry.]
All people with DSD disorders (intersex is no longer the term that is used and is offensive to many who have these conditions) are still either male or female. Look it up.
This is a function of cumulative effect of testosterone. Not a function of chromosomes.
If your body does not produce adult male level testosterone, your Y chromosome does not give you advantage.
If your body does not respond to testosterone, your Y chromosome does not give you advantage.
If you have prevented your testosterone-driven puberty with medical intervention, your Y chromosome does not give you advantage.
Medical experts hired by World Aquatics (FINA) came to this conclusion a few years ago. You do not have to relitigate a settled case with your uninformed opinion.
It's not true that the only reason males have an advantage over females in nearly all sports is because of the cumulative impact that adult male levels of testosterone have on male bodies during and after puberty of adolescence.
You just keep insisting this is true, but you never provide any evidence. Because your entire theory is based on faulty premises.
A number of the physical characteristics that males develop, maintain and build on which together give males as a group a huge advantage over females as group in nearly all sports are due to the combination of male testosterone + male genetics + the behavior of male androgen receptors during three key periods in the human male life cycle: development in utero; male mini puberty of infancy; the period encompassing male puberty of adolescence into male early adulthood in late teens, early 20s.
However, some of the physical characteristics that males develop which give them a big advantage over females - particularly during adolescence and adulthood but not solely then - are due to male genetics alone or due largely to male genetics. Such as male bone length and height; male pelvis and Q angle; male tendons; the much larger size and power of males' lungs and throats; male airway cells; male heart and lung structure and function.
We know from the experience of all the castrati of Italian choral music and European opera fame - and the multitudes of males in various cultures over time who were castrated in their youth so they could work as harem and palace guards and court eunuchs - that removing the testicles of boys when they are 8, 9, 10 or 11 doesn't do away with, or prevent them from developing, many of the distinctly male features that give males an advantage over females in physical activities like sports.
The reason the castrati had such remarkable, unique voices was because they developed the tall height, large lungs and throats, big rib cages and chest cavities, and the distinctly-male shaped skulls and sinuses and nasal passages of grown men whilst retaining the vocal chords and voice boxes of young boys.
Also, some of the large sports performance gap between males and females is due to the myriad ways that females develop differently to males - and all the biological processes we go through and have to contend with that males don't experience and never have to deal with or even think about for a moment
But you never acknowledge that female development and our very different biological processes and reproductive burdens account for some of the disparity between the sexes in sports because you only care about males and their development. And the only aspects of male development you mistakenly think matter are the ones driven exclusively by adult male tesosterone levels and male androgen receptor repsonse during adolescence and afterwards.
You too keep insisting in insufferable verbosity that things like pelvis size, tendons, lungs, throat, heart etc of males are innately superior to those of women, but the intragroup difference amongst each sex including males is vastly higher than the intergroup difference between the sexes at any given percentile, yet we don’t have categories based on any of those other physiological metrics.
You can not articulate why any attribute matters at all for fairness other than for its impact on sport-specific performance. Amongst the attributes that matter, testosterone is the most principal component by far — especially in the male to female transition region — and the clearest discriminator of the sexes. There are no other relevant attributes with even just the latter property. So just cut it with the incessant pointless yapping about them.
All people with DSD disorders (intersex is no longer the term that is used and is offensive to many who have these conditions) are still either male or female. Look it up.
But you don’t even know what male and female mean.
The intersex absolutely don’t care about your imagined political incorrectness sensibilities when you are standing in the way of their pursuit of happiness.
But you don’t even know what male and female mean.
The intersex absolutely don’t care about your imagined political incorrectness sensibilities when you are standing in the way of their pursuit of happiness.
It is a zerosum game. To side with "trans" ideology means a dystopia of persecuting the majority who will never accept "sex by identification" and "transition." It best to just put all trans concepts into hate speech, not covered by the 1st Amendment, because it results in children being gaslighted by virtue signaling parents, surgically and chemically mutilated, etc.
Are you saying if I do have De La Chapelles it is justified to compete with girls?
For the love of God, please stop saying anything about the possibility that you have something that does NOT change anything. NO, biological males are NEVER justified to compete with girls.
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