NXN 2024 at-large bids

Rocky tears wrote:

RichGhost wrote:

Well the California races are done for the Boys and it’s evident California not only deserve 2 teams. Very off year for Calif.

so for at large here is what is the right answer:

1) American Fork - this one is unanimous and straightfwd. 3rd in stacked SW.

2) Austin Vandegraaf - 3rd in south with close range to 2nd.

3) Rocky Mountain - 3rd in stacked nw pretty close to 2nd.

4) Plainfield North - 3rd in their region

as for Taylorsville beating Rocky - that was early season meet which Gonzalez discounts heavily. Rocky won Firman in 2022 and received zero credit. Rocky barely lost state to CDA NXN champ. Taylorsviille was distant 4th - they were not hot on a very flat track like course. Rocky also achieved #2 nationally in Hoka nationals.

Rocky got beat by a lot at state, it’s just that it’s a small not competitive field so the point total is small. The time difference was big.

Rocky ran 7 seconds faster at NXR than they did at Firman, which was a hot day. They still didn’t run as fast as Taylorsville did at Firman, who narrowed the gap to Herriman at NXR from Firman.

Rocky fan boys can go home and cry.

SW Fan1 wrote:

RichGhost wrote:

Well the California races are done for the Boys and it’s evident California not only deserve 2 teams. Very off year for Calif.

so for at large here is what is the right answer:

1) American Fork - this one is unanimous and straightfwd. 3rd in stacked SW.

2) Austin Vandegraaf - 3rd in south with close range to 2nd.

3) Rocky Mountain - 3rd in stacked nw pretty close to 2nd.

4) Plainfield North - 3rd in their region

as for Taylorsville beating Rocky - that was early season meet which Gonzalez discounts heavily. Rocky won Firman in 2022 and received zero credit. Rocky barely lost state to CDA NXN champ. Taylorsviille was distant 4th - they were not hot on a very flat track like course. Rocky also achieved #2 nationally in Hoka nationals.

SW boys should get 2 at larges. Last year Niwot was a distant 4th at NXR and then placed 5th at NXN. That region is stacked. If you’re not in that region it’s difficult to comprehend how deep it is. Also, it was not a track like course.

SW Fan1 wrote:

RichGhost wrote:

Well the California races are done for the Boys and it’s evident California not only deserve 2 teams. Very off year for Calif.

so for at large here is what is the right answer:

1) American Fork - this one is unanimous and straightfwd. 3rd in stacked SW.

2) Austin Vandegraaf - 3rd in south with close range to 2nd.

3) Rocky Mountain - 3rd in stacked nw pretty close to 2nd.

4) Plainfield North - 3rd in their region

as for Taylorsville beating Rocky - that was early season meet which Gonzalez discounts heavily. Rocky won Firman in 2022 and received zero credit. Rocky barely lost state to CDA NXN champ. Taylorsviille was distant 4th - they were not hot on a very flat track like course. Rocky also achieved #2 nationally in Hoka nationals.

SW boys should get 2 at larges. Last year Niwot was a distant 4th at NXR and then placed 5th at NXN. That region is stacked. If you’re not in that region it’s difficult to comprehend how deep it is. Also, it was not a track like course.

SW Fan1 wrote:

RichGhost wrote:

Well the California races are done for the Boys and it’s evident California not only deserve 2 teams. Very off year for Calif.

so for at large here is what is the right answer:

1) American Fork - this one is unanimous and straightfwd. 3rd in stacked SW.

2) Austin Vandegraaf - 3rd in south with close range to 2nd.

3) Rocky Mountain - 3rd in stacked nw pretty close to 2nd.

4) Plainfield North - 3rd in their region

as for Taylorsville beating Rocky - that was early season meet which Gonzalez discounts heavily. Rocky won Firman in 2022 and received zero credit. Rocky barely lost state to CDA NXN champ. Taylorsviille was distant 4th - they were not hot on a very flat track like course. Rocky also achieved #2 nationally in Hoka nationals.

SW boys should get 2 at larges. Last year Niwot was a distant 4th at NXR and then placed 5th at NXN. That region is stacked. If you’re not in that region it’s difficult to comprehend how deep it is. Also, it was not a track like course.

Data Nerd wrote:

thoughts on ridefield wrote:

that doesn't make any sense. Bob firman was almost 80 degrees this year. Last year at Bob Firman, Jojo went 14:55, Evan Noonan 14:55, Austin Westfall 15:00. Jojo and Westfall went 1-4 at nxn over Nathan Neil who was solidly 3rd. Nathan Neil ran 14:49 at NXR Northwest

Team times run 10-15 seconds slower at NXR on average, not necessarily the individuals, especially in the last few years where the Northwest has had some studs.

A couple of points for everyone:

1. It doesn't have to make sense to be true

2. It may have to do with to number of athletes on the course, Firman had ~180, NXR had ~215. An extra 30-40 bodies each year on an already relatively small course, is going to slow everyone down.

3. Great Oak got 6th in D1, yes, but they also had their number 1 guy get DQ'd. That is going to catastrophically impact ANY team. Considering that Rich and his committee know Cali XC very well, they aren't going to hold the teams who have beat/lost to Great Oak against that NEARLY as much as people on here are thinking. For example, at NXR NW, CDA would have experienced a 35 point negative swing had their number 1 be DQ'd. For Jesuit OR, that would have been a 62 point negative swing.

Take this how you will in relation to California and Rocky and others.