I think perhaps the business analogy is getting lost on people, so here's a simpler way to look at it. For everyone on here who has a job - your employer has set expectations for what you are supposed to do, achieve, etc. You almost certainly have performance reviews to determine if you're meeting them and what you can do differently to achieve them. Ultimately what they expect from you is what you have to do.
Coaches are expected to win. Now many schools have specific focuses - conference championships, nationals, whatever they decide the expectation is. Admins (or good ones) do not micromanage their coaches. They give them free reign to run their program how they see fit to achieve these goals. If that means cutting kids - they'll cut them. If that means replacing your staff - you replace them. We see this every day in the large, marquee sports. Seeing it in a sport like cross country strikes you as mean, wrong, etc. Why?
You are glossing over the most important part of this story. It's not that guys were cut, it was the manner in which they were cut. Showing up right before the season starts and cutting a bunch of athletes with no notice and giving them little or no chance of finding another option strikes me as wrong because it IS wrong. Even Deion Sanders gave all the players he cut last season plenty of notice that they should look for other options.
And can we take a moment to appreciate the hypocrisy in treating these guys this way because you're in "win now" mode or whatever, and then going out and hiring a young, completely unproven assistant coach? Is that a "win now" hire?
Looks like Carlson has found a very qualified assistant to follow him to Boulder. Looks like he may be more like Wetmore than we anticipated. Selecting young female athletes to be assistants with no credentials on or off the track! I wonder if his wife will be happy about this?
This is really cringy to hire someone like this. Poor wife
What do you possibly know about her or how Sean C. views her? Just that she's attractive? C'mon man, grow up. Everyone's spouse will work with and/or encounter attractive people. It means next to nothing.
Getting cut sucks, yet if it were me, I’d enroll at Regis U, just down the street in Denver’s, establish themselves as a complete cohort, be part of the start of a program with a new young coach, and keep rolling! Everything is easier said than done, yet why not be THE PROGRAM right next door?
If the go to the program next door, it would be Mines.
This is really cringy to hire someone like this. Poor wife
What do you possibly know about her or how Sean C. views her? Just that she's attractive? C'mon man, grow up. Everyone's spouse will work with and/or encounter attractive people. It means next to nothing.
There's plenty of other colleges to run for in Colorado with similar academics to CU, like Western, Northern CO, Adams, Mesa, Pueblo, Springs etc. 14-14:30 5ker's would be a huge boost to those programs.
I agree that the CU AD cares absolutley 0 about those student athletes, otherwise would have gotten them a coach earlier and gave them options to transfer. Athletics 1st, academics who cares? Don't need intelligence to coach or work in the athletic departement.
I think perhaps the business analogy is getting lost on people, so here's a simpler way to look at it. For everyone on here who has a job - your employer has set expectations for what you are supposed to do, achieve, etc. You almost certainly have performance reviews to determine if you're meeting them and what you can do differently to achieve them. Ultimately what they expect from you is what you have to do.
Coaches are expected to win. Now many schools have specific focuses - conference championships, nationals, whatever they decide the expectation is. Admins (or good ones) do not micromanage their coaches. They give them free reign to run their program how they see fit to achieve these goals. If that means cutting kids - they'll cut them. If that means replacing your staff - you replace them. We see this every day in the large, marquee sports. Seeing it in a sport like cross country strikes you as mean, wrong, etc. Why?
You are glossing over the most important part of this story. It's not that guys were cut, it was the manner in which they were cut. Showing up right before the season starts and cutting a bunch of athletes with no notice and giving them little or no chance of finding another option strikes me as wrong because it IS wrong. Even Deion Sanders gave all the players he cut last season plenty of notice that they should look for other options.
And can we take a moment to appreciate the hypocrisy in treating these guys this way because you're in "win now" mode or whatever, and then going out and hiring a young, completely unproven assistant coach? Is that a "win now" hire?
Exactly. It's not the cuts which are a simple fact of big time athletics. It's the timing. 4 to 5 hours notice before the transfer portal closes and at a time of year that most teams have already filled their rosters. Totally screws these kids over when they could have given them the semester to prove themselves or move on.
And yes, businesses sometimes do this mercilessly and it results in existing staff losing trust in management, top talent sending out feelers for other opportunities and others "quiet quitting".
Word to all D1 athletes, if your coach leaves or is fired, enter the transfer portal immediately and figure out your options. Ultimately you can stay if the new hire is favorable but don't leave yourself hung out to dray.
There's plenty of other colleges to run for in Colorado with similar academics to CU, like Western, Northern CO, Adams, Mesa, Pueblo, Springs etc. 14-14:30 5ker's would be a huge boost to those programs.
I agree that the CU AD cares absolutley 0 about those student athletes, otherwise would have gotten them a coach earlier and gave them options to transfer. Athletics 1st, academics who cares? Don't need intelligence to coach or work in the athletic departement.
You're off your rocker if you think Western, Northern CO, Adams, and Mesa have similar academics to CU Boulder. The RMAC except for mines is not good.
UCCS is decent. Mines is probably better than Boulder, but they only have engineering.
There's plenty of other colleges to run for in Colorado with similar academics to CU, like Western, Northern CO, Adams, Mesa, Pueblo, Springs etc. 14-14:30 5ker's would be a huge boost to those programs.
I agree that the CU AD cares absolutley 0 about those student athletes, otherwise would have gotten them a coach earlier and gave them options to transfer. Athletics 1st, academics who cares? Don't need intelligence to coach or work in the athletic departement.
You're off your rocker if you think Western, Northern CO, Adams, and Mesa have similar academics to CU Boulder. The RMAC except for mines is not good.
UCCS is decent. Mines is probably better than Boulder, but they only have engineering.
1. Detail the expected 2024 CU cross country roster, including transfers in. Please name names. Will there be a roster limit of 17?
2. Can the cut guys cobble together a Boulder runner/lawyer to do pro bono work and file suit not against the cut, but against the TIMING of the cut?
3. Can the cut guys (mostly Colo natives) complain to Boulder area state senator, CU Board of Regents, etc.?
4. Can the cut guys get a sympathy story in the Boulder Tattler?
Again, the travesty here is the TIMING of the cuts.
Non-athletic-related per say, but the University of Colorado has four campuses (Denver, Boulder, Co Sp and the Medical School). Credits transfer between Denver, Boulder and Co Sp campuses. It's pretty common for residents in the front range to take classes at the different campuses (summer, fall, winter, spring, etc.) during their degree program depending on the rest of their life schedule, degree, where their family lives, where they can do internships and grad classes, etc.
No rules were broken and nobody cares. Millions read about the football players. Hundreds would read about the runners. And they are quietly moving on anyway.
Looks like Carlson has found a very qualified assistant to follow him to Boulder. Looks like he may be more like Wetmore than we anticipated. Selecting young female athletes to be assistants with no credentials on or off the track! I wonder if his wife will be happy about this?
Let’s not act like Carlson is the first coach in the world to hire an an assistant coach fresh out of college. Always good to have both genders on staff if possible imo.
No rules were broken and nobody cares. Millions read about the football players. Hundreds would read about the runners. And they are quietly moving on anyway.
There are plenty of stories written in the Boulder Tattler about FAIR PLAY.
Looks like Carlson has found a very qualified assistant to follow him to Boulder. Looks like he may be more like Wetmore than we anticipated. Selecting young female athletes to be assistants with no credentials on or off the track! I wonder if his wife will be happy about this?
Let’s not act like Carlson is the first coach in the world to hire an an assistant coach fresh out of college. Always good to have both genders on staff if possible imo.
get one with some damn experience though geez stop just hiring they have females with experience out here
Let’s not act like Carlson is the first coach in the world to hire an an assistant coach fresh out of college. Always good to have both genders on staff if possible imo.
get one with some damn experience though geez stop just hiring they have females with experience out here
She DOES have experience... she was a GA for the past year LIKE SO MANY OTHER new coaches. And it looks like she successfully networked and mustve known people or sean directly. This is how you get jobs: get a masters + experience + connections.
So I guess she's not just beautiful BUT SMART TOO -- that must really piss off our small dick LR community.
get one with some damn experience though geez stop just hiring they have females with experience out here
She DOES have experience... she was a GA for the past year LIKE SO MANY OTHER new coaches. And it looks like she successfully networked and mustve known people or sean directly. This is how you get jobs: get a masters + experience + connections.
So I guess she's not just beautiful BUT SMART TOO -- that must really piss off our small dick LR community.
Milesplit says she has PRs of 17:23 and 36:28. Not sure how she is going to relate to coaching runners significantly faster.