They are thinking of USTAF. There was no reason for her to try to grind the 5000m out. Hopefully just resting.
Then why show up at all? Was the goal "all along" to run a bad race, score virtually no points, bask in the attention for a week? Weak. She is on an NCAA team, she no-showed, because she was mad. Running the 5 doesn't take her out of usatf. She no showed rather than be beat.
A fresh Tuohy wins this race. Kemboi was cooked by the 10000, and she was the only one I thought that could have contested her final lap kick. Tough thing to give away an ncaa title to take on a challenge. But nothing ventured, nothing gained.
No. She finished DNS. She doesn't get credit for coulda woulda. She could have "grinded" (as all the apologists call it) her way to 3rd place and big points in 5k, walk over and shake the champs hand. Then we would talking about class on rough day.
I hope you are just trying to act obtuse. It is a very simple projection that without doubling she would have won the 5000m. How is that even debatable? Tell me why that's wrong. The winning time was 15:30 with a 1:10 close, won by a runner she beat doubling at regionals. Your posts are just strawman and complete idiocy.
So what...? Her plan on a 196 degree night where she was "guaranteed" to win the 5, was to run a hard 15 that she couldn't win to warm up for the 5? By your logic, her and her coach are morons with a terrible plan, or more likely, she ran a bad 15 and weasled out of 5 to avoid losing to her internet rival.
She's a kid with no experience losing, she weasled rather than score points for her team, show up, and have to shake hands with PV. Forgivable for sure, but she needs to live with this one. I'll be rooting for her as a pro.
This is LRF. Downvotes come with the territory. And why should I care about your opinion? No one needs to care about mine.
I made a perfectly reasonable, innocuous point about the 5000m and a handful of posters are trying to disagree for no reason in particular.
If you’d just say that it wasn’t KT’s night (true), congrats to Valby for winning an NCAA championship (true), KT will get her next time (very likely true), few if any would disagree with you. Saying that KT “gifted” the championship to Valby is what’s insulting. There are no gifts, you win it or you lose it. Saying that is not being a KT fan, it’s being a jerk to all of the other athletes that ran the race, especially Valby. KT herself would not think this way. I’m sure of it. You can be a KT fan without insulting every other athlete that runs in the same races, now or in the future.
A fresh Tuohy wins this race. Kemboi was cooked by the 10000, and she was the only one I thought that could have contested her final lap kick. Tough thing to give away an ncaa title to take on a challenge. But nothing ventured, nothing gained.
No. She finished DNS. She doesn't get credit for coulda woulda. She could have "grinded" (as all the apologists call it) her way to 3rd place and big points in 5k, walk over and shake the champs hand. Then we would talking about class on rough day.
I completely agree with this.
I have been one of the down voters of every "woulda coulda" post that astro has made about the 5000. It is completely inappropriate. Parker Valby won that race. 15:30 in that heat was a fast time. She is the legitimate winner. Parker went all-in on the 5K. Touhy made a different decision, and that decision rendered her a no-show. That is what actually happened yesterday, and Parker Valby deserves 100% credit for running a great race and winning her first NCAA championship. She toed the line after a season of injury against a talented field and she made it happen. I enjoyed watching her win. She was totally deserving. Astro, I usually enjoy your comments, but injecting a Tuohy fantasy into Parker's moment is just flat tacky. Just stop, please. Tuohy didn't show so it doesn't matter what she might have done. She didn't. Parker did. End of story.
Mia Ramsden ran a superb race. She executed that 1500 pretty perfectly, and she gained from Tuohy's foolishness. Tuohy should have known from Wake Forest how starting out that fast would end for her. She flew too close to the sun this time. It happens. But Mia Ramsden deserves a lot of credit for winning big against that stacked field.
I am finding myself perplexed by the events yesterday. Everything that happened was 100% predictable by this armchair fan, so it should have been apparent to Tuohy and Henes. When she declared for both events I assumed she was sitting on something truly special. They knew the 1500 field was loaded. They knew the race was in Austin in June. They knew she would have to run fast in the 1500 to have any chance. All of this was apparent from the onset. She made this decision. It turned out to be a poor decision. This 1500 played out very similar to her 1500 at Wake Forest. She knew how starting too fast would end for her. I just don't understand the decision making here. Henes now has the distinction as the first coach to take a talent like Tuohy and produce an incredibly poor result. What she is doing with that very talented team does not seem to be working.
I think less of Tuohy for not showing up for the 5000. She put this out there. She knew the conditions. There was nothing wrong with her. She was butt-hurt and did not want to lose to Parker. Showing up and giving her best and seeing her commitment through would have been the classy thing to do. Instead, she basically gets credit as a ghost runner from rabid fans and takes away the spotlight from the deserving winner. Declaring this double was a bad decision, but it was her decision and she had all of the facts going in and she had an obligation to see the thing through.
The woman who lost a spot because of this (13th at regionals) was Savannah Shaw, her teammate and a senior. I think that really sucks.
I am still a fan, but I would have had some serious respect for her showing up and not dodging the loss. Parker Valby crushed it. She ran that race on pure heart and she deserves all of the credit due for winning an NCAA championship. Parker was the one who showed up at 9:55 ready to go, and Tuohy didn't through her own decisions. Britton Wilson showed up. She saw her commitment through. That is class.
Yes. Correct. Valby amd Cook are the next great American distance runners and Wiley is the next great 1500 runner.
Tuohy showed her true colors. She cant stand to lose. She is so afraid of losing that she would rather not race. She is like a spoiled little girl. Tuohy's last race is a DNS and the one before that is a 7th place finish. Pathetic.
One thing I will kind of agree with you on (tho I hate to do this) is she does not takelosses well. The few big losses/poor races she has experienced (Millrose mile, terrible (9:30) 3000 vs pros as a hs senior) she has not talked to press after. That is something she could work on. Sure the loss or performance hurts, but everyone has those, own up to it and move on.
First the regional meets are not a meet. They are a qualifying round. Tuohy did not beat Valby, they both qualified for the final.
Second Tuohy went out too fast. Simple as that. We have all done it and lost races. It happens. Fortunately for most of us it was not on national TV.
Third, it was hot. I was there 3 of the 4 nights. I live south of here and I was dying just sitting in the stands. Once heat gets to you, it is over.
Lastly it is hard to think of the runners that could have run that didn't get to to replace Tuohy and Jacobs in the 5000, but clearly both planned to run and couldn't due to earlier races.
Lastly, isn't it fun to be able to watch these athletes and talk about track with others, even if on a message board? Even if we disagree I am glad others love the sport like I do.
Thank you for writing such a positive post! Much needed around here. No where near this level of competition but I remember taking an 800 out way too hard in 100 degree temps once and it did not end well. Running on pure hate did not save me.
Completely forgot that Jacobs scratched the men’s 5000. Hope all is well with him - great runner.
So this is interesting, Jacobs and his coach (after his difficult 10k race two days prior) made a decision to scratch the 5k. Coach Henes and Tuohy made the decision to scratch her from the 5000 which was only about 90 min after her 1500. No one is saying anything about Jacobs but it’s different in Tuohy’s situation somehow? What am I missing here?
First the regional meets are not a meet. They are a qualifying round. Tuohy did not beat Valby, they both qualified for the final.
Second Tuohy went out too fast. Simple as that. We have all done it and lost races. It happens. Fortunately for most of us it was not on national TV.
Third, it was hot. I was there 3 of the 4 nights. I live south of here and I was dying just sitting in the stands. Once heat gets to you, it is over.
Lastly it is hard to think of the runners that could have run that didn't get to to replace Tuohy and Jacobs in the 5000, but clearly both planned to run and couldn't due to earlier races.
Lastly, isn't it fun to be able to watch these athletes and talk about track with others, even if on a message board? Even if we disagree I am glad others love the sport like I do.
Thank you for writing such a positive post! Much needed around here. No where near this level of competition but I remember taking an 800 out way too hard in 100 degree temps once and it did not end well. Running on pure hate did not save me.
Completely forgot that Jacobs scratched the men’s 5000. Hope all is well with him - great runner.
So this is interesting, Jacobs and his coach (after his difficult 10k race two days prior) made a decision to scratch the 5k. Coach Henes and Tuohy made the decision to scratch her from the 5000 which was only about 90 min after her 1500. No one is saying anything about Jacobs but it’s different in Tuohy’s situation somehow? What am I missing here?
What’s different is that nobody is posting that Jacobs “gifted” the 5000 to Robinson and that of course Jacobs would have won it if he ran it fresh.
No. She finished DNS. She doesn't get credit for coulda woulda. She could have "grinded" (as all the apologists call it) her way to 3rd place and big points in 5k, walk over and shake the champs hand. Then we would talking about class on rough day.
I completely agree with this.
I have been one of the down voters of every "woulda coulda" post that astro has made about the 5000. It is completely inappropriate. Parker Valby won that race. 15:30 in that heat was a fast time. She is the legitimate winner. Parker went all-in on the 5K. Touhy made a different decision, and that decision rendered her a no-show. That is what actually happened yesterday, and Parker Valby deserves 100% credit for running a great race and winning her first NCAA championship. She toed the line after a season of injury against a talented field and she made it happen. I enjoyed watching her win. She was totally deserving. Astro, I usually enjoy your comments, but injecting a Tuohy fantasy into Parker's moment is just flat tacky. Just stop, please. Tuohy didn't show so it doesn't matter what she might have done. She didn't. Parker did. End of story.
Mia Ramsden ran a superb race. She executed that 1500 pretty perfectly, and she gained from Tuohy's foolishness. Tuohy should have known from Wake Forest how starting out that fast would end for her. She flew too close to the sun this time. It happens. But Mia Ramsden deserves a lot of credit for winning big against that stacked field.
I am finding myself perplexed by the events yesterday. Everything that happened was 100% predictable by this armchair fan, so it should have been apparent to Tuohy and Henes. When she declared for both events I assumed she was sitting on something truly special. They knew the 1500 field was loaded. They knew the race was in Austin in June. They knew she would have to run fast in the 1500 to have any chance. All of this was apparent from the onset. She made this decision. It turned out to be a poor decision. This 1500 played out very similar to her 1500 at Wake Forest. She knew how starting too fast would end for her. I just don't understand the decision making here. Henes now has the distinction as the first coach to take a talent like Tuohy and produce an incredibly poor result. What she is doing with that very talented team does not seem to be working.
I think less of Tuohy for not showing up for the 5000. She put this out there. She knew the conditions. There was nothing wrong with her. She was butt-hurt and did not want to lose to Parker. Showing up and giving her best and seeing her commitment through would have been the classy thing to do. Instead, she basically gets credit as a ghost runner from rabid fans and takes away the spotlight from the deserving winner. Declaring this double was a bad decision, but it was her decision and she had all of the facts going in and she had an obligation to see the thing through.
The woman who lost a spot because of this (13th at regionals) was Savannah Shaw, her teammate and a senior. I think that really sucks.
I am still a fan, but I would have had some serious respect for her showing up and not dodging the loss. Parker Valby crushed it. She ran that race on pure heart and she deserves all of the credit due for winning an NCAA championship. Parker was the one who showed up at 9:55 ready to go, and Tuohy didn't through her own decisions. Britton Wilson showed up. She saw her commitment through. That is class.
Valby ran a great race and only overzealous Tuohy fans are making a case that her win is somehow tainted. It was Tuohy’s decision to run the 1500m and then DNS the 5000m, and not Valby’s.