STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:
They are so far in and committed to the sham that they don't even care how obvious it is now. Are they going to blame all the unvaxxed students? All zero of them?
Did you read the article? 97 percent of students are vaccinated and staff do not have to be vaccinated until January. Multiply that percentage by enrollment, and there are at least 650 unvaccinated students, not including staff.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
I don’t understand the confusion. We know from anecdotal evidence and peer reviewed studies that the vaccine does not stop the spread of Covid. The vaccine can potentially slow the spread and lowers the rate of severe illness when, not if, infected. The whole world could be vaccinated and we’d still see thousands of deaths and tens to hundreds of millions of “new” cases.
Until we accept that reality, we’re just not being honest and living in fantasyland.
^This.
Finally some common sense abounds.
An internationally renowned school in a densely populated area that sees a large number of international travelers ends up having an outbreak? What are the odds…
big HONKING birds wrote:
Caleb's Hat wrote:
Great point
We should have vaccinated the entire planet in 2019
Darn Republicans
+1
It's crazy how no one understands this!
I know. We should have vaccinated the entire planet in 2019 even though the Covid did not get discovered until the very end of 2019 and the vax was not created until the end of 2020.
get faster wrote:
STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:
They are so far in and committed to the sham that they don't even care how obvious it is now. Are they going to blame all the unvaxxed students? All zero of them?
Did you read the article? 97 percent of students are vaccinated and staff do not have to be vaccinated until January. Multiply that percentage by enrollment, and there are at least 650 unvaccinated students, not including staff.
A total enrollment of under 15,000. 100% - 97% = 3%. 3% of 15,000 = at least 650?
carmine9 wrote:
get faster wrote:
Did you read the article? 97 percent of students are vaccinated and staff do not have to be vaccinated until January. Multiply that percentage by enrollment, and there are at least 650 unvaccinated students, not including staff.
A total enrollment of under 15,000. 100% - 97% = 3%. 3% of 15,000 = at least 650?
According to google… Cornell Enrollment 21904. I believe the amount you used it undergrad only.
carmine9 wrote:
get faster wrote:
Did you read the article? 97 percent of students are vaccinated and staff do not have to be vaccinated until January. Multiply that percentage by enrollment, and there are at least 650 unvaccinated students, not including staff.
A total enrollment of under 15,000. 100% - 97% = 3%. 3% of 15,000 = at least 650?
Here is the official Cornell COVID dashboard:
https://covid.cornell.edu/testing/dashboard/1,082 cases in a week out of 26,011 students (4.2% of the student body)
97% fully vaccinated (that would indicate there are 780ish unvaccinated students on campus), but pretty much all of the 1,082 cases were among vaccinated students. Two vaccines are not doing much to stop Omicron.
If you look at the 4 latest days, however, they had 963 positives out of 17,724 tests (5.4%), so the actual number of cases on campus is likely over 1,400.
2600 bro wrote:
Covidiocy wrote:
So will reinfection with Omicron silly. Probably four or five-dose equivalent.
No you moron - the point is to PREVENT more cases. You really can't grasp this.
How is the old vaccine going to prevent cases of Omicron? This is just not true. The booster may reduce illness in those susceptible to severe illness, but it is not stopping cases nor anywhere near necessary for those not susceptible to severe illness (which is mots people).
Funrunkid wrote:
An internationally renowned school in a densely populated area that sees a large number of international travelers ends up having an outbreak? What are the odds…
Dude, that school is in farm country.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Funrunkid wrote:
An internationally renowned school in a densely populated area that sees a large number of international travelers ends up having an outbreak? What are the odds…
Dude, that school is in farm country.
It's in a small city. And has lots of international connections. So you're wrong. Ithaca is not some podunk little farm town.
They require a vac OR get tested regularly which MANY have opted to do.
You don't know anything wrote:
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Dude, that school is in farm country.
It's in a small city. And has lots of international connections. So you're wrong. Ithaca is not some podunk little farm town.
Drive 1 mile out of that town....farms for 30-50 miles. I am right.
Omicron will cause a lot of breakthrough infections in prior infected or 2x vaccinated people. Less in 3x vaxxed and hybrid immunity.
Until we have a full handle on the relative severity, magnitude of immune escape, transmissibility, etc, it seems unwise to treat an Omicron infection different than prior variants.
However, I have long been in favor of lowering the requirements for getting out of 'COVID jail' if you are vaxxed and test positive. Many places still have a mandatory quarantine period, etc. 2 negative tests and zero symptoms should be enough.
Of course, if you have symptoms of a respiratory disease, you should be quarantining in your room. This was true before COVID.
Harambe wrote:
Omicron will cause a lot of breakthrough infections in prior infected or 2x vaccinated people. Less in 3x vaxxed and hybrid immunity.
Until we have a full handle on the relative severity, magnitude of immune escape, transmissibility, etc, it seems unwise to treat an Omicron infection different than prior variants.
However, I have long been in favor of lowering the requirements for getting out of 'COVID jail' if you are vaxxed and test positive. Many places still have a mandatory quarantine period, etc. 2 negative tests and zero symptoms should be enough.
Of course, if you have symptoms of a respiratory disease, you should be quarantining in your room. This was true before COVID.
This is not true. Unless, you have active TB, nobody was staying in their room for weeks or even days because they had colds. Come on, when will you admit that the response over the last 2 years was both unconventional and absolutely overzealous. Covid will still be real if you admit that. Boosting the nonvulnerable is overzealous and possibly dangerous.
Well, COVID was killing upwards of 3,000 per day in December-February, when the death rate plummeted due to wider COVID vaccination among the elderly. 1% of senior citizens have died from COVID during the pandemic in the U.S. But 95% have now gotten the first dose and most of those the second dose. Their death rate plummeted. At over 3,000 deaths per day, the U.S. would have been close to 100,000 per month, or 1 million in 10-11 months. Of course, it ebbs and flows in different regions with conditions that bring people inside or outside and according to how bad it is there and how many precautions people take accordingly. Nevertheless, an estimate of a million lives saved would be reasonable, I think, by the end of this winter. The booster shot is apparently quite effective against Omicron according to early evidence in the lab. It raises efficacy from 33% for two doses to about 90%.
The response to COVID has not at all been unconventional or overzealous. This has killed 800,000 and accelerated the death rate from overcrowding hospitals so that the death rate is up well over the 800,000 additional deaths from COVID. We haven't had a pandemic this deadly in over 100 years (excluding AIDS, which was less deadly in the United States, but more deadly worldwide (over a forty year period)).
xczvzxcv wrote:
The response to COVID has not at all been unconventional or overzealous. This has killed 800,000 and accelerated the death rate from overcrowding hospitals so that the death rate is up well over the 800,000 additional deaths from COVID. We haven't had a pandemic this deadly in over 100 years (excluding AIDS, which was less deadly in the United States, but more deadly worldwide (over a forty year period)).
Considering the susceptible populations are very specific, yes, it was very unconventional and overzealous....and ineffective I might add. We could have focused time and resources in a much better way. Why people are doubling down now on the same stupid overzealous policies is beyond understanding. None of it ever made any sense.
Has anyone at Cornell, students and teachers alike, been hospitalized for omicron?
xczvzxcv wrote:
Well, COVID was killing upwards of 3,000 per day in December-February, when the death rate plummeted due to wider COVID vaccination among the elderly. 1% of senior citizens have died from COVID during the pandemic in the U.S. But 95% have now gotten the first dose and most of those the second dose. Their death rate plummeted. At over 3,000 deaths per day, the U.S. would have been close to 100,000 per month, or 1 million in 10-11 months. Of course, it ebbs and flows in different regions with conditions that bring people inside or outside and according to how bad it is there and how many precautions people take accordingly. Nevertheless, an estimate of a million lives saved would be reasonable, I think, by the end of this winter. The booster shot is apparently quite effective against Omicron according to early evidence in the lab. It raises efficacy from 33% for two doses to about 90%.
Early evidence = tiny study from Pfizer that they won't share with everyone else?