Jakob Ingebrigtsen runs European record 12:48.45!!!!

Knight ran a very gutsy race. Was running well under his pr and hung on for his life in the last 2 laps. He now becomes the 2nd fastest North American ever.

Canadians in 3rd and 5th. The Kenyans of North America.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Trackier wrote:

Canadians in 3rd and 5th. The Kenyans of North America.

Sure. Failing drug tests left, right and center.

That's slander. Maybe it's time somebody sues you for it.

think first wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Sure. Failing drug tests left, right and center.

That's slander. Maybe it's time somebody sues you for it.

In no way is that a defamatory statement.

Armstronglivs is the worst-of-the-worst in terms of the trite, boomery "everyone is doping" shtick...

but his speech no where close to illegal.

think first wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Sure. Failing drug tests left, right and center.

That's slander. Maybe it's time somebody sues you for it.

You're welcome.

2600 bro wrote:

think first wrote:

That's slander. Maybe it's time somebody sues you for it.

In no way is that a defamatory statement.

Armstronglivs is the worst-of-the-worst in terms of the trite, boomery "everyone is doping" shtick...

but his speech no where close to illegal.

I dont say everyone is doping. But the incidence is high and I don't believe the best clean can beat the best doped.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I dont say everyone is doping. But the incidence is high and I don't believe the best clean can beat the best doped.

Why not? People are very different.

All these Morocco - Qataris coached by Jama Aden and very likely taking peds still run 3:33 and not 3:26. Doping makes you better, but not necessarily the best. I'm 100% sure that Athing Mu is clean as a whistle and she is one of the best in the world. Same goes for Jakob Ingebrigtsen.

Call me Frank wrote:

12:48. Take it to the bank. Olympic gold coming---easy.

LRC note. This poster started a thread entitled "Jakob is GOD!!!" We merged it with this thread.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/06/2021-florence-dl-hassan-353-beats-kipyegon-in-1500-thriller-ingebrigtsen-runs-1248-to-win-loaded-5k/

Actually he ran even faster in 27:38

Starno wrote:

Call me Frank wrote:

12:48. Take it to the bank. Olympic gold coming---easy.

LRC note. This poster started a thread entitled "Jakob is GOD!!!" We merged it with this thread.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/06/2021-florence-dl-hassan-353-beats-kipyegon-in-1500-thriller-ingebrigtsen-runs-1248-to-win-loaded-5k/

Actually he ran even faster in 27:38

https://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/i/Vo4o1/debuterte-med-seier-i-siddisloepet

Jakob ran 8.2km in 27:38min at 11 yo.

Sub 5:25mile pace for over 5 miles in a cross country race. Amazing.

When I read some of the comments on here about all these athletes who must be doping because of their performances (not mentioning any names here) it begs the question if you hate this supposed doping so much why do you follow athletics at all? You surely don't get any enjoyment out of the sport. Or is the enjoyment from getting the reaction out of everyone else when you slander all these athletes? Sad really.

Starno wrote:

Starno wrote:

Actually he ran even faster in 27:38

https://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/i/Vo4o1/debuterte-med-seier-i-siddisloepet

Jakob ran 8.2km in 27:38min at 11 yo.

Sub 5:25mile pace for over 5 miles in a cross country race. Amazing.

Amazing aint possible, just ask Armstronglivs. Jakob was obviously doped at the age of 11.

Nor-way wrote:

Ikke gidd å svare idioten. Han er fullstendig hekta på tanken at det MÅ være doping involvert. Han er som en Trump-tilhenger som mener det MÅ ha vært valgfusk i 2020 - selv om det finnes null bevis, og 60 søksmål ble avvist av retten.

Agree 100%

Aaleby wrote:

Starno wrote:

Jakob ran 8.2km in 27:38min at 11 yo.

Sub 5:25mile pace for over 5 miles in a cross country race. Amazing.

Amazing aint possible, just ask Armstronglivs. Jakob was obviously doped at the age of 11.

So you think talent precludes doping at a later age. Naive. All elite athletes are talented.

think first wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I dont say everyone is doping. But the incidence is high and I don't believe the best clean can beat the best doped.

Why not? People are very different.

All these Morocco - Qataris coached by Jama Aden and very likely taking peds still run 3:33 and not 3:26. Doping makes you better, but not necessarily the best. I'm 100% sure that Athing Mu is clean as a whistle and she is one of the best in the world. Same goes for Jakob Ingebrigtsen.

The best athletes are not as different as you think. At their level the differences are marginal. Any slight improvement in level - such as 1%-3%, as doping may afford - can be crucial.

Sure, doping doesnt make anyone the best, but amongst the most talented athletes it will produce the best.

GreatDane wrote:

When I read some of the comments on here about all these athletes who must be doping because of their performances (not mentioning any names here) it begs the question if you hate this supposed doping so much why do you follow athletics at all? You surely don't get any enjoyment out of the sport. Or is the enjoyment from getting the reaction out of everyone else when you slander all these athletes? Sad really.

On the other hand, it may be preferable not to turn a blind eye to the corruption of sport through doping. Truth is more important to some than fandom.

If you have two athletes of similar talent and one of them dopes, if the doped athlete isn't faster then doping doesn't work. But we know it does. All top athletes are very similar in talent - even if some are better than others. Doping easily bridges the gap, or gives an edge.

In Mu's event, the 800m, we have seen that doping can make a difference of 5 seconds. Russian women athletes who could run 1.56 doped were unable to beat 2.01 clean. A doped runner without Mu's ability could still be faster than her.

It would just be nice to see you make a positive post about athletics now and then.

sport is 100 times worse with the doping than it was,40 years ago.Also compare the physiques of the sprinters today,to those then.Completely different.More bloated,wider jawlines,more muscled,bigger,more densely muscled as well,and the distance runners are also more muscled.These days most athletes look more like laboratory experiments than human beings,and its just as bad in other sports.The east german women were svelte, pretty and femenine compared to todays women.

Armstronglivs wrote:

If you have two athletes of similar talent and one of them dopes, if the doped athlete isn't faster then doping doesn't work. But we know it does. All top athletes are very similar in talent - even if some are better than others. Doping easily bridges the gap, or gives an edge.

In Mu's event, the 800m, we have seen that doping can make a difference of 5 seconds. Russian women athletes who could run 1.56 doped were unable to beat 2.01 clean. A doped runner without Mu's ability could still be faster than her.

Saying "we know it does" and "doping easily bridges the gap, or gives an edge", doesn't make it true, and conflates what is myth, with what has been shown in science and historically. It may turn out to be true for some events, and not others.

We could talk about the effects of steroids and other male hormones for women's 800m, but your Russian women athletes statistic doesn't compare apples to apples, as the slower group did not contain the faster, banned runners.

By your own admission, assuming "50/50" applies to elite men's 5000m, you believe there is a 50% chance that Ingebrigtsen's 12:48.45 is clean. 50/50 is also another way to say you simply don't know one way or the other, and you cannot say that doping is more likely.