DJT indicted on four counts related to January 6

Republicans too

nymag.com

Ranking the Most Influential Democratic Donors in the 2020 Race

Gabriel Debenedetti

Whose money are the presidential hopefuls gunning for?

Link:nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/most-i...

Ignore the facts if you must. They are still facts.

What he believes isn’t a green light to commit a crime.
I can believe all the money in a bank is mine. It’s still a crime if I go into the bank and take it.

Unless it is yours

Flaws vs crimes and anarchy... hmm which should I pick?

Overlooking is vastly different from compiling a list of pros and cons and realizing what A vast disparity it is. And in fact, and this is why I say, the LA cop analogy is highly imperfect, is that my tune is always to expect more of everyone, to hew to facts. Trumpers have been crying out since 2015 that people in the system are corrupt. It’s no denying that some are. And for anyone who believes that, there is only one correction: demand as much transparency as possible, and expect the most of everyone, including your side. You don’t like people who tell some lies and who aren’t always playing by the rules? Then go find somebody who is adamant about playing by the rules, not somebody who lies more, erodes faith in the truth, and refuses to play by the rules. Trump supporters have chosen the downward spiral, the race to the bottom. I expect and demand more of my side (to the small extent that I have one; I actually probably come closest to having one only on discrete questions rather than on party lines). But when they have flaws, I don’t pretend that the mere existence of their flaws is worse than the many flaws on the other side. Trump, and the vast majority of his supporters, simply see the mote in others’ eyes and ignore the beam in their own.

In this last case …Depends on how you take it.

Even then still a crime. You are not allowed to break into the bank's servers or vault and take your money. That is not the case here regardless. Trump did not win and he couldn't present a shred of proof in court... if he had proof, he would have presented that in court and the results could then be contested. Are you telling us he had proof, withheld it and proceeded to commit crimes believing he was in the right to do so? Is he playing 3D chess again? Lolz

“But they can’t be doing well because some of them are Jewish!”

Rich people donate to politicians in order to influence government policy.

This is news?

Do you do stuff like this because you’re rhetorically manipulative, you’re just this bad of a thinker, or you’re addicted to the dopamine hit you get by winning over the straw target?

I actually don’t agree with the “insane” point, but you consistently veer into a worldview or style of argument where everyone who disagrees with you is mired in the same kind of groupthink with the very worst and dumbest positions, while you defend not only those supporters of Trump with more nuanced and reasonable positions, but also fail to recognize just how many don’t fit that description.

1. Down 50% in the last 6 months and still higher than ever. No rational person would argue that Biden has been anything but a disaster on the border.

2. Anyone who thinks a child can be transgender is a child abuser.

3. Crime has been through the roof. You can use statistics to lie about anything. When they tell you that crime is down in 2023 they're conveniently not mentioning that is was way up before it came down a little and is still well above where it was before Biden took office. Major retailers aren't abandoning cities because crime is too low.

4. The Afghan withdrawal isn't a feather in your cap it was a disgrace. And the Ukraine was triggered by the west and is being prolonged by the west for the sole purpose of making money. Democrats and Republicans voted for all the wars. Trump was loathed by the neo-cons for opposing permanent war and nation building for profit. Biden is right back on board the forever war gravy train.

5. Identity politics and the absurd trans issues are promoted by Democrats.

6. The Trump tax cuts expire in 2024 and no Democrat would renew them. Democrats believe in punishing the rich which leads to higher prices for everyone.

7. Biden is as corrupt as the day is long. So was Obama.

You still deranged that Trump won in 2016, Ginamator? Are you ever going to get over how he demolished Hillary?

Yes. This criminal enterprise to overturn the election used prophecy and tarot cards to learn in advance that Trump would be defrauded. Therefore they are totally justified in cooking up the fake elector scheme before the vote.

Do you purposefully ignore the contents of the post I'm responding to or are you just too lazy to bother reading it?

We live in a 2 party system. It is ridiculous to pretend that there's more than 2 choices.

All of the crazies are on 1 side or the other and you have to choose which side's crazies are worse.

In my opinion, not only are the crazies on the left worse but the Democrats let them steer the boat.

Missed the part where the guy said he was breaking into the vault to take his money.

I am telling you that the Justice Dept is criminalizing free speech. Trump had every right to dispute the results. I would think he believes the election was stolen -- as it likely was. The media smears 24/7, suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop and then calling it Russian disinfo, the highly irregular movement of the vote totals in GA, PA, WI, and Mi.

I know that’s exactly what many of them feel, and the crux of my argument is not that they’re 100% wrong, they’re totally blind to reality, or that they don’t value a number of worthwhile things. It’s that the pros and cons tilt obviously in one direction one direction. And you’ve listed a number of your values. I look at the hordes of people on the right, who have a long hold similar values, yet consider Trump an abomination and ultimately a barrier to achieving their best aims for the long term. I don’t come up with this stuff by watching MSNBC, giggling at Jordan Klepper’s selectively edited takedowns, and hinging all my thoughts on a caricature of the other side. I have more respect for other people and far too much self-respect to do that.

Did not take a psychic to know that the OLigarchs behind Biden would do anything necessary to deny Trump the presidency in 2020.

Did you notice any similarity among those top donors? Maybe they all belong to the same ethnic group, for example?

Did you happen to notice that virtually all the top spots in the Biden admin are filled by members of that same ethnic group?

Don't you care about merit and democracy? Happy with being dominated by one small group of people?