DJT indicted on four counts related to January 6

republican Rollie wrote:

BTW NoYankee is really Cray, Cray. Yowsa... He's a goner.

Here is what I find fascinating about the current state of Trumpism:

Historically American hates and despises cheaters! Think about all the Sports episodes where careers were killed in a blink of an eye because cheating was discovered. Also in Business. I happened to watch a Bass Fishing video where a guy was caught putting lead weights in his fish and the rest of the competitors and crowd were ready to tar and feather this guy when this cheating was caught.

So here we have Donald J Trump that is a proven cheater. It is not even up for discussion. It is not hearsay, we all saw it happen live on TV. And all the witnesses are Republicans that were part of his administration or coconspirators in the schemes. These indictments all show what was going on behind the scenes which was exponentially worse than what we saw Trump doing on live TV and on Twitter. Yet Donald J Trump is not cheating in a silly athletic competition. He is cheating in the biggest Presidential election in our nation's history that will determine the outcome of our government. And we have some 20% of the country that is totally OK with it. They want to brush it aside and get this cheater right back into office.

When I look at the new polling numbers showing how widely Trump is despised by the general population and Democrats but still much loved by the GOP it shows that the tribalism is so, so strong. That is what it must be. The cult of Trump coupled with intense GOP tribalism.

Trollminator wrote:

republican Rollie wrote:

BTW NoYankee is really Cray, Cray. Yowsa... He's a goner.

Here is what I find fascinating about the current state of Trumpism:

Historically American hates and despises cheaters! Think about all the Sports episodes where careers were killed in a blink of an eye because cheating was discovered. Also in Business. I happened to watch a Bass Fishing video where a guy was caught putting lead weights in his fish and the rest of the competitors and crowd were ready to tar and feather this guy when this cheating was caught.

So here we have Donald J Trump that is a proven cheater. It is not even up for discussion. It is not hearsay, we all saw it happen live on TV. And all the witnesses are Republicans that were part of his administration or coconspirators in the schemes. These indictments all show what was going on behind the scenes which was exponentially worse than what we saw Trump doing on live TV and on Twitter. Yet Donald J Trump is not cheating in a silly athletic competition. He is cheating in the biggest Presidential election in our nation's history that will determine the outcome of our government. And we have some 20% of the country that is totally OK with it. They want to brush it aside and get this cheater right back into office.

When I look at the new polling numbers showing how widely Trump is despised by the general population and Democrats but still much loved by the GOP it shows that the tribalism is so, so strong. That is what it must be. The cult of Trump coupled with intense GOP tribalism.

Another great summary. It's the same conclusion every time and yet it is still hard to believe there are so many of them.

Nnonequals wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Another great summary. It's the same conclusion every time and yet it is still hard to believe there are so many of them.

Unfortunately, I think that 20% is too low. He got 47% of the vote last time. So, were 27% of the voters "holding their nose" to vote for him? I don't think it's that high. I'm thinking that more like 10-15% were holding their nose, putting his strong/ish supporters somewhere between 30 and 40%. And it doesn't appear that much has changed since then.

Additionally, of course, whether a voter "really" liked him or not, all 47% should be ashamed that they picked an authoritarian (and so many other things) over a moderate Democrat. I can be far less judgemental about 2016. But by 2020, people KNEW who they were voting for. And not having a red hat in the closet doesn't let them off the hook much, if at all.

Nnonequals wrote:

republican Rollie wrote:

BTW NoYankee is really Cray, Cray. Yowsa... He's a goner.

Here is what I find fascinating about the current state of Trumpism:

Historically American hates and despises cheaters! Think about all the Sports episodes where careers were killed in a blink of an eye because cheating was discovered. Also in Business. I happened to watch a Bass Fishing video where a guy was caught putting lead weights in his fish and the rest of the competitors and crowd were ready to tar and feather this guy when this cheating was caught.

So here we have Donald J Trump that is a proven cheater. It is not even up for discussion. It is not hearsay, we all saw it happen live on TV. And all the witnesses are Republicans that were part of his administration or coconspirators in the schemes. These indictments all show what was going on behind the scenes which was exponentially worse than what we saw Trump doing on live TV and on Twitter. Yet Donald J Trump is not cheating in a silly athletic competition. He is cheating in the biggest Presidential election in our nation's history that will determine the outcome of our government. And we have some 20% of the country that is totally OK with it. They want to brush it aside and get this cheater right back into office.

When I look at the new polling numbers showing how widely Trump is despised by the general population and Democrats but still much loved by the GOP it shows that the tribalism is so, so strong. That is what it must be. The cult of Trump coupled with intense GOP tribalism.

Moreover, if the vast majority of THE biggest Trumpers had someone ANYTHING like him in their personal lives, they'd very quickly despise him. Neighbor, co-worker, family member, in-law, business associate, you name it. They'd quickly and easily see the flaws, and judge/act accordingly.

But make that person Trump, and they literally want him to be the most powerful person in the world.

Fascinating and horrible at the same time.

Nnonequals wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Another great summary. It's the same conclusion every time and yet it is still hard to believe there are so many of them.

Unfortunately, I think that 20% is too low. He got 47% of the vote last time. So, were 27% of the voters "holding their nose" to vote for him? I don't think it's that high. I'm thinking that more like 10-15% were holding their nose, putting his strong/ish supporters somewhere between 30 and 40%. And it doesn't appear that much has changed since then.

Additionally, of course, whether a voter "really" liked him or not, all 47% should be ashamed that they picked an authoritarian (and so many other things) over a moderate Democrat. I can be far less judgemental about 2016. But by 2020, people KNEW who they were voting for. And not having a red hat in the closet doesn't let them off the hook much, if at all.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Nnonequals wrote:

Unfortunately, I think that 20% is too low. He got 47% of the vote last time. So, were 27% of the voters "holding their nose" to vote for him? I don't think it's that high. I'm thinking that more like 10-15% were holding their nose, putting his strong/ish supporters somewhere between 30 and 40%. And it doesn't appear that much has changed since then.

Additionally, of course, whether a voter "really" liked him or not, all 47% should be ashamed that they picked an authoritarian (and so many other things) over a moderate Democrat. I can be far less judgemental about 2016. But by 2020, people KNEW who they were voting for. And not having a red hat in the closet doesn't let them off the hook much, if at all.

There's no such thing as a moderate Democrat.

Joe Manchin is a moderate Democrat and the party wants him out and the base calls him a "nazi".

Biden is worse than Trump even if all your favorite fantasies are true.

Do it for the kids wrote:

Nnonequals wrote:

Unfortunately, I think that 20% is too low. He got 47% of the vote last time. So, were 27% of the voters "holding their nose" to vote for him? I don't think it's that high. I'm thinking that more like 10-15% were holding their nose, putting his strong/ish supporters somewhere between 30 and 40%. And it doesn't appear that much has changed since then.

Additionally, of course, whether a voter "really" liked him or not, all 47% should be ashamed that they picked an authoritarian (and so many other things) over a moderate Democrat. I can be far less judgemental about 2016. But by 2020, people KNEW who they were voting for. And not having a red hat in the closet doesn't let them off the hook much, if at all.

Yes, many held their noses and voted for him.

3 of the 4 indictments are for his actions after the 2020 vote.

When people voted in November 2020, he hadn’t yet stolen nuclear secrets, he hadn’t yet stoked an insurrection, he hadn’t yet been exposed for conspiring to steal an election.

Nnonequals wrote:

Do it for the kids wrote:

Yes, many held their noses and voted for him.

3 of the 4 indictments are for his actions after the 2020 vote.

When people voted in November 2020, he hadn’t yet stolen nuclear secrets, he hadn’t yet stoked an insurrection, he hadn’t yet been exposed for conspiring to steal an election.

Sounds like you're suggesting that his odds of winning are much lower this time? Which WOULD make sense in a sane country, of course.

But as THE most casual consumer of polls, I don't believe that they currently suggest that. Nope, another nail-biter, it appears. More and more bad news about Trump doesn't change many minds.

Which, IN A WAY, makes sense. If any truly responsible citizen watched the guy behind a podium and read his tweets for 4 years, they knew he shouldn't continue to be president. They wouldn't have REALLY been surprised that he would try to steal the election (and he was very publicly laying the ground work for it months before anyone voted). But they voted for him anyway. So, arguably, not surprising that ALL of the bad news since still hasn't changed many minds.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Nnonequals wrote:

Unfortunately, I think that 20% is too low. He got 47% of the vote last time. So, were 27% of the voters "holding their nose" to vote for him? I don't think it's that high. I'm thinking that more like 10-15% were holding their nose, putting his strong/ish supporters somewhere between 30 and 40%. And it doesn't appear that much has changed since then.

Additionally, of course, whether a voter "really" liked him or not, all 47% should be ashamed that they picked an authoritarian (and so many other things) over a moderate Democrat. I can be far less judgemental about 2016. But by 2020, people KNEW who they were voting for. And not having a red hat in the closet doesn't let them off the hook much, if at all.

There's no such thing as a moderate Democrat.

Joe Manchin is a moderate Democrat and the party wants him out and the base calls him a "nazi".

Biden is worse than Trump even if all your favorite fantasies are true.