I love this sport and try my best to keep it positive but no way can you spin 300 total in attendance as a good turnout.
I love this sport and try my best to keep it positive but no way can you spin 300 total in attendance as a good turnout.
Iffley Road Track wrote:
HOOWIE wrote:
Because it's not a real race that's why.
No different than the setup for Bannister's 3:59.4.
Do you have an issue with that?
Except that it was open to anyone interested and the track was lined five deep with fans.
in the stands and on the rails wrote:
Iffley Road Track wrote:
No different than the setup for Bannister's 3:59.4.
Do you have an issue with that?
Except that it was open to anyone interested and the track was lined five deep with fans.
Jamin shoulda jumped in. I don't think he would've been last.
rojo wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:
I watched the race.
I was impressed by how many fans came out. I'd guess 300 or more, there were a lot of people near the finish area..
Wait, what? You are impressed that there were 300 fans to watch America's Olympic gold medallist? When he was running Nike's campus? Are you joking?
There are 12,000+ Nike employees in Beaverton.
The fact that you think 300 people is a lot shows you how minor league our sport is.
The crowd was estimated to be 2500 by a number of sources.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
This is why the sport is dying and there is no path to recovey. Rather than run in a actual race 3 of America's top runners including the defending Olympic Gold Medalist at 1500 run a time trial with no competition on a track where few could watch, with minimal media coverage before or after. I am a lifelong fan of the sport and someone who has dedicated years to training and I get 0 excitement out of this.
This is something that needs to be corrected. I'm not sure what the best way is but guys running no races all season long then showing up to championships is terrible for the sport. Maybe requiring people to run X number of IAAF sanctioned races to be eligible for the Olympics and World championships is the answer. Not a perfect solution but we've got to get these guys racing each other some.
Couldn't agree more.
If this was an actual race that was well-advertised, I would have watched it and loved it.
Instead, it's a time trial with minimal advertising and watchablilty with the most secretive training group in the US.
Couldn't care less - which is awful because they're amazing performances - and I'm a huge track fan.
Very sad.
Michigsnrunner50 wrote:
Rupp not ripped
That was the least of your mistakes in your poorly written post.
macdaddy wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
This is why the sport is dying and there is no path to recovey. Rather than run in a actual race 3 of America's top runners including the defending Olympic Gold Medalist at 1500 run a time trial with no competition on a track where few could watch, with minimal media coverage before or after. I am a lifelong fan of the sport and someone who has dedicated years to training and I get 0 excitement out of this.
This is something that needs to be corrected. I'm not sure what the best way is but guys running no races all season long then showing up to championships is terrible for the sport. Maybe requiring people to run X number of IAAF sanctioned races to be eligible for the Olympics and World championships is the answer. Not a perfect solution but we've got to get these guys racing each other some.
Couldn't agree more.
If this was an actual race that was well-advertised, I would have watched it and loved it.
Instead, it's a time trial with minimal advertising and watchablilty with the most secretive training group in the US.
Couldn't care less - which is awful because they're amazing performances - and I'm a huge track fan.
Very sad.
Stop your blabbering. There's a 99% chance that you would not have traveled to Beaverton to watch this (I did). It was also streamed live last night on runnerspace, accommodating your "watchability". Gtfo with your negativity. The atmosphere was ELECTRIC last night.
objectiveobserver wrote:
Kincaid is less than 3 years younger than Centro. But I did not only look at age.
In Kincaids IAAF profile there has been recorded no results in 2017 and 2018 and before that only mediocre ones so he looked that a guy who has been close to winding down.
We will see if he can run this time again in later meetings.
Poor guy was injured for 2 years. That's why you see no results.
HOOWIE wrote:
Iffley Road Track wrote:
No different than the setup for Bannister's 3:59.4.
Do you have an issue with that?
Yes I do because you stated it blatantly that Bannisters attempt was 'set up.' I can accept the fast time but there will always be an asterisk to these performances and we all know it.
That's a fair reply, and I respect your response. However, would you please identify which WR 800m and above was not "set up" with rabbits, etc?
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
HOOWIE wrote:
Yes I do because you stated it blatantly that Bannisters attempt was 'set up.' I can accept the fast time but there will always be an asterisk to these performances and we all know it.
Except there were a grand total of 3 guys capable of running competitively with Bannister at that time and transportation and logistics made it harder to get them together since it was almost 70 years ago and all 3 lived on separate continents.
Given we live in the 21st century and getting to Europe is no big deal. Plus there are about 50 guys in the world capable of running at or close to the pace they ran last night which by the way is over 20 seconds off, not an iconic barrier. Bannister did not have the same opportunity to get a field to compete with him and it definitely was not an era where it could have been broadcasted across social media so the world could have tuned in and watched it by webcast. Saying this is similar to Bannister's world record attempt is absurd when you consider the environment of 3 quarters of a century ago to now.
Premise: aim for a specific time
Makeup: teammates working toward one goal
Plan: 2 pacemakers in as perfect conditions as possible
Not so very different in my opinion, but we are certainly allowed to disagree. Bartelsmayer did a bang on job not getting carried away. Really set the tone well.
objectiveobserver wrote:
Jakob closed a 13:02 with a 53!
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It looks very strange that three runners late in their careers can improve that much in the 5000m.
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Centro was one of the top prep 2-milers of all-time and his dad was 5000 AR-holder. He has been a little busy with the 1500, in case you haven't noticed. Lomong has always been legit, clearly healthy for the first time in a while.
That track should be used for fast times more often; the infield trees keep wind at zero, and the psychology and atmosphere are clearly topnotch for fast running (not to mention it is their home track for training).
Regardless of how people feel about the “time trial” aspect of this race, hopefully it gives everyone the confidence to shoot for fast times in the future. When other pros see Woody run 12:58 they’re forced to step up their game.
Currently we have 2 Americans under 13:00 and 3 under 2:10 in the marathon; I’m hoping these times will open the floodgates for fast times.
Get the count wrote:
rojo wrote:
Wait, what? You are impressed that there were 300 fans to watch America's Olympic gold medallist? When he was running Nike's campus? Are you joking?
There are 12,000+ Nike employees in Beaverton.
The fact that you think 300 people is a lot shows you how minor league our sport is.
The crowd was estimated to be 2500 by a number of sources.
"sources" lol k
Iffley Road Track wrote:
HOOWIE wrote:
Yes I do because you stated it blatantly that Bannisters attempt was 'set up.' I can accept the fast time but there will always be an asterisk to these performances and we all know it.
That's a fair reply, and I respect your response. However, would you please identify which WR 800m and above was not "set up" with rabbits, etc?
I believe David Rudisha broke the WR at the olympics. And also; my issue is not that there are rabbits..my issue is that Jerry obviously knew his guys were ready to run fast so they set up the meet in the middle of the season and there were only three serious contenders. Similar to Alan Webb’s AR. I just feel there is more value in a fast time when the athlete shows up properly tapered for an established meet(I.e. diamond league, Payton Jordan WC/olympics). That’s really it.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
This is why the sport is dying and there is no path to recovey. Rather than run in a actual race 3 of America's top runners including the defending Olympic Gold Medalist at 1500 run a time trial with no competition on a track where few could watch, with minimal media coverage before or after. I am a lifelong fan of the sport and someone who has dedicated years to training and I get 0 excitement out of this.
This is something that needs to be corrected.
I think you really nailed it.
So did Gault in making the point that a 12:58 and a 13:00 guy won’t be competing at Worlds.
YMMV wrote:
That track should be used for fast times more often; the infield trees keep wind at zero, and the psychology and atmosphere are clearly topnotch for fast running (not to mention it is their home track for training).
Yeah great let’s have more club time trials on a track with trees on the infield so those who can’t/won’t race the world’s best can be psychologically insulated from the pressures of competition.
This is the most one-dimensional result I can recall. Nothing at stake. Perfect conditions. Teammates to make pace. It is literally “just” (ib flaming) a 12:58-13:00, but because it is obscenely fast everything else is essentially background noise. If Kincaid never races again he gets sub-13:00 status.
Is Hayward still under construction? Would they have even considered that as a venue for spectators’ sake? Committing to that might have been too much pressure on the athletes though if things weren’t optimal...
So you hate Farah because he never chased fast times and now you hate BTC because they chased a fast time. Cool.
doot doot wrote:
So did Gault in making the point that a 12:58 and a 13:00 guy won’t be competing at Worlds.
What 13:00 guy won't be competing at Worlds?
Side note: can we comment on fvcking crazy that Moh Ahmed pacers this thing for 4000 meters lol
Hoowie wrote:
Side note: can we comment on fvcking crazy that Moh Ahmed pacers this thing for 4000 meters lol
It's been commented on, but also it seems he went "at least 4200m. There were reports of him running around the track the last 2 minutes cheering as well.
If Moh could develop a kick he would be ready to claim a medal at worlds. As it stands I see him with the leaders at 4600m and finishing 6th.