I'd love to know what Simmons' cut is! Any way to find out?
Someone should site the Freedom of Information Act and get the information on what payments were made for training, coaching, etc.
I personally don't know who to make the request of, anyone know?
Coach #2 wrote:
I'd love to know what Simmons' cut is! Any way to find out?
Someone should site the Freedom of Information Act and get the information on what payments were made for training, coaching, etc.
I personally don't know who to make the request of, anyone know?
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- Coach Simmons: assume his contract work out of Fort Carson's handled via the local Army Contracting Office there in Colorado Springs. Doubt FOIA required.
- I doubt any nefarious business on Coach Simmon's part ... I am challenging why WCAP broke the model and invested into Maj Browne's lair. Most F/T Guardsmen are filling 1-man Fighting positions until folks roll into monthly drill. It's likely that officer or senior enlisted is pulling double duty while Maj Browne's busy exploiting American distance running.
- I'm confident this storyline's only going to get worse as we understand WCAP's modus operandi.
Einstein here are soem flaws to your logic
you say MAJ Browne "fast tracked" his career. No one fast tracks to MAJ as that is not a very high rank to retire at, as you say he will retire in 2017. By pigeon holing his career into coaching he sacrificed any chances for promotion to LTC or COL. By making the choice to coach and use his vast talent in this arena he did so at great personal sacrifice to his career. I assume he did so knowingly and should be commended for making such a sacrifice in the long term (pay now and pension for years to come).
FOIA exemption 6 will limit you getting information on someone's personal contract (Simmons as you claim). This is protected privacy information.
As for the other stuff you want to FOIA I guess you could ask for iit - but remember you must pay reasonable costs and based on the amount of time you have put into these posts it appears that you have no job so no idea how you will fund such.
LIrunner wrote:
Einstein here are soem flaws to your logic
you say MAJ Browne "fast tracked" his career. No one fast tracks to MAJ as that is not a very high rank to retire at, as you say he will retire in 2017. By pigeon holing his career into coaching he sacrificed any chances for promotion to LTC or COL. By making the choice to coach and use his vast talent in this arena he did so at great personal sacrifice to his career. I assume he did so knowingly and should be commended for making such a sacrifice in the long term (pay now and pension for years to come).
FOIA exemption 6 will limit you getting information on someone's personal contract (Simmons as you claim). This is protected privacy information.
As for the other stuff you want to FOIA I guess you could ask for iit - but remember you must pay reasonable costs and based on the amount of time you have put into these posts it appears that you have no job so no idea how you will fund such.
- Maj Browne "fastracked" their citizenship & WCAP applications to maximize their training for the OTs.
- We agree, at last! Maj Browne homesteaded in Oregon to continue milking WCAP & double-dipping off of his NOP contract for all it was worth. Finally, promotion boards duly recognized his scam & he's fortunate to have reached field grade. I chuckle w/respect to your characterization of his Svc as full of sacrifice: spare me!
- Thanks for the FOIA insight ... I was responding to another poster. No reqmnt for further research on my part ... I see Maj Browne's WCAP scam clearly!
- I'm also glad that you've conceded that the WCAP burned a Major on Active Duty to coach 3 people instead of assigning a Morale-Welfare-Recreation professional. Thus federal taxpayer vs Non-Appropriated Fund sourced as many folks boast about the WCAP... scam, scam, scam.
- To think the military pays active duty Major's to coach as their primary duty versus lead Soldiers is unsettling.
Coach Simmons has a group and WCAP normally jump in to train with the group. Remember most of this guy's likes coach Simmons training idea. Unlike most of Americans coacheck Simmons training is simple like any other Kenyans training. Do lots of repeat's and run you tempo and long run faster. If you happen to have read eluid kipchoget training it's basically the same idea with Simmons . No rocket science just run.
- Great insight, thanks!
- Another indicator that supports my claim that WCAP wasted federal taxpayer dollars to cover Temporary Duty expenses for Specialist's Kipchirchir, Korrir, & Chelimo so that they could train with Major Dan Browne in Beaverton/Mammoth. Furthermore, this post supports that Maj Browne's role in WCAP requires review --- the trade-off for serving in his daily Oregon National Guard duties versus "Coaching" these soldier-athletes.
- "Good On" Coach Simmons for going pro-bono --- now that's patriotic!
- FACTOID: The French Foreign Legion requires eiher 3 years of service or WIA before granting citizenship.
- I agree that MOST LiKELY, Specialist Kipchirchir, Korrir, & Chelimo considered Eluid Kipchoget more of a coach than Major Dan Browne credits himself as depicted in this LRC video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-M7HKPyHPc
- Chelimo: you think you're going to coach this guy .... suspended from UNC-G for setting up his own race schedule & then later quit to become a WCAP "Hired Gun" ... wishful thinking Major Browne .... somebody ask Coach Pearson how much he had to do w/Chelimo's preparation:
- Somebody reasonably thinks that these soldiers, all NCAA champions & non-traditional students in college, show-up in Beaverton & listen to Major Dan Browne. The Oregon National Guard may have thought they were detailing Major Browne to "Coach" ... a BS assignment for a Army Major to begin with ... it's even more egregious that in reality all he did was Admin & Logistics.
You need to go see your local behavioral health professional. Your obsession over this topic is a bit psychotic.
Alan
- Truth has legs
- WCAP moved the performance goalpost w/o anyone seeing it ... save Eric Jenkins, Chris Derrick, et al as they watched these pseudo-soldiers take their place in international competition. WCAP systematically & deliberately created a Kenya Foreign Legion within its ranks that compromised the Trials. Yet props goes to "Everybody's All American" Dan Browne?
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2016/06/world_class_athlete_program_di.html
- Taking on all Army & Oregon apologetics ...
Show me where they've turned away white Americans of equal talent and then your story would have merit. If not for these Kenyan Americans there would be no WCAP track team.
Alan
#1 Knock of the "race card" attack ...
#2 Back at you, when has the WCAP recruited anyone other than ... "as you put" -- Kenyan Americans. Based on demonstrated performance, WCAP's recruiting model is fairly clear as I've discussed earlier .... convert as many NCAA Kenyan All-American graduates as you can during the pre-OT/WC build-up & pounce.
#3 WCAP Track Team: their certainly would be a team ... you'd simply lower your standards to OT qualifying levels that incentivize non-Rift Valley born soldiers to take a chance -- that 2 years out to develop that they have an opportunity to qualify & excel. The current "Rift Valley Model" is standards in reach of current Kenyan All-Americans & then give them 2 years + citizenship to get even better --- most w/o 1 freaking day in the Operating Forces. Bunch of Fakes!
#4 No doubt w/the Long War -- difficult to develop talent like Dan Browne, Shawn Found, Ron Harris, Brett Hyde. That said, you quit on the normal soldier/officer; now you simply recruit around it by forming a non-combatant WCAP Kenyan Legion.
- More Getting Crazy Time?: What's the difference between the track reflected in Ken Goe's article on the WCAP and that of the USOC's in Colorado Springs?
http://www.oregonlive.com/trac...am_di.html
- ANS// Major Browne can commute to the track in Oregon.
I know for a fact that Coach Simmons allows the Army guys to join in on his workouts with his ADP athletes in Colorado Springs. Coach Simmons loves to coach and does it for free. He has no contract with his ADP athletes other than an agreement that they are not doping (which they agree to at the beginning of the coach/athlete relationship). But Coach Simmons does not receive money from his athletes. He runs a non-profit: American Distance Project.
He is doing ALL his coaching pro-bono. It's not exactly a smart business move, but neither was his Greenman Taproom. He's got great coaching ideas, and he's been doing it a long time, however I think his reputation proceeds him. As many before me have noted, he is a bit of a snake-oil salesman who believes in altitude training and his own pyramid training program that is his own creation. He hawks his book, dvd's, and training camps for coaches and athletes in order to fund his travels. Elevated-Sports is a consultant business he started not long ago to help train coaches. He's trying to make money by being a coach, but why he doesn't ask his athletes for a percentage of their winnings or even a monthly fee to work out with him, I have no explanation.
I don't think his athletes are Olympic medal winners, he's done just fine as a college coach, and probably earned more when he worked for a university or college.
He's in the process of writing another book, and I heard he's thinking about getting a Ph.D. as well as interviewing for various college jobs. He seems pretty undecided and directionless. It will be interesting to see what he does post Olympics.
if I can, they should too wrote:
I had the good luck to randomly happen to be born in the US through no thought or effort of my own. These guys uprooted their lives to move half way around the world and complete the process of becoming citizens. If my dumb luck gives me the right to call myself American and compete for this country, their sacrifice and effort sure as hell earns them the same right.
It wasn't dumb luck that your decedents made the move so that their offspring could be born here. They're probably rolling in their grave right now thinking that their hard work to get their family to America is now being cast as "dumb luck" by one of their grandkids.
But keep being a selfish, its-only-about-me liberal.
Runningart2004 wrote:
*insults and race baiting*
Good to see yet another one of RunningTard2004's trademark posts.
Psycho-logist wrote:
At the end of the day, it all boils down to the fact that Americans want to see whites in the distance races, because tradition. But, this mindset tends to shift.....
Pure unadulterated bull$hit.
This argument comes up time and time again. You can spin it as racism and it is not that. I think White America has shown that they will embrace a black athlete without question.
If the guys competing were American born and yes, with "American" names you wouldn't hear a peep out of anyone. If the other two qualifiers in the 10,000m were two black athletes named Joe Smith and Mike Johnson and they had been born here and graduated here, there'd be no issue.
So yeah, it's an "ism" but it's nationalism not racism.
Lickety Split wrote:
#1 Knock of the "race card" attack ...
#2 Back at you, when has the WCAP recruited anyone other than ... "as you put" -- Kenyan Americans. Based on demonstrated performance, WCAP's recruiting model is fairly clear as I've discussed earlier .... convert as many NCAA Kenyan All-American graduates as you can during the pre-OT/WC build-up & pounce.
#3 WCAP Track Team: their certainly would be a team ... you'd simply lower your standards to OT qualifying levels that incentivize non-Rift Valley born soldiers to take a chance -- that 2 years out to develop that they have an opportunity to qualify & excel. The current "Rift Valley Model" is standards in reach of current Kenyan All-Americans & then give them 2 years + citizenship to get even better --- most w/o 1 freaking day in the Operating Forces. Bunch of Fakes!
#4 No doubt w/the Long War -- difficult to develop talent like Dan Browne, Shawn Found, Ron Harris, Brett Hyde. That said, you quit on the normal soldier/officer; now you simply recruit around it by forming a non-combatant WCAP Kenyan Legion.
#2: WCAP has been around a long time. Shawn Found wasn't Kenyan. Kenyan Americans have only been on the team over the last few years.
Alan
Lickety Split wrote:
#1 Knock of the "race card" attack ...
That wasn't a "race-card attack".
#2 Back at you, when has the WCAP recruited anyone other than ... "as you put" -- Kenyan Americans.
I dunno, maybe back when they weren't as good? Also, that they are Kenyan Americans is a verifiable fact, not just "as Alan puts it".
Based on demonstrated performance, WCAP's recruiting model is fairly clear as I've discussed earlier .... convert as many NCAA Kenyan All-American graduates as you can during the pre-OT/WC build-up & pounce.
So?
#3 WCAP Track Team: their certainly would be a team ... you'd simply lower your standards to OT qualifying levels that incentivize non-Rift Valley born soldiers to take a chance -- that 2 years out to develop that they have an opportunity to qualify & excel. The current "Rift Valley Model" is standards in reach of current Kenyan All-Americans & then give them 2 years + citizenship to get even better --- most w/o 1 freaking day in the Operating Forces. Bunch of Fakes!
In other words: there would be a team, but it wouldn't be as good. The point of WCAP is for morale. Would a middling distance team be good for morale? I also fail to see how any of this makes them fakes. They clearly have enough nationalist attachment to the USA for them to join the Army to stay here. Good for them. Fake? How?
#4 No doubt w/the Long War -- difficult to develop talent like Dan Browne, Shawn Found, Ron Harris, Brett Hyde. That said, you quit on the normal soldier/officer; now you simply recruit around it by forming a non-combatant WCAP Kenyan Legion.
What's a normal soldier/officer? I don't get the criticism here. WCAP is a non-combat role. If you recruited corn-fed Kansas-born Tommy Smith Jenkins to be on the WCAP distance team, it would still be a non-combat role. WCAP is open to Active, Reserve, and NG alike, a huge portion of whom have never and will never see combat. That they will likely never see action is not special treatment for the Kenyans. Your criticism does not hold up.
CoS Runs wrote:
I know for a fact that Coach Simmons allows the Army guys to join in on his workouts with his ADP athletes in Colorado Springs. Coach Simmons loves to coach and does it for free. He has no contract with his ADP athletes other than an agreement that they are not doping (which they agree to at the beginning of the coach/athlete relationship). But Coach Simmons does not receive money from his athletes. He runs a non-profit: American Distance Project.
He is doing ALL his coaching pro-bono. It's not exactly a smart business move, but neither was his Greenman Taproom. He's got great coaching ideas, and he's been doing it a long time, however I think his reputation proceeds him. As many before me have noted, he is a bit of a snake-oil salesman who believes in altitude training and his own pyramid training program that is his own creation. He hawks his book, dvd's, and training camps for coaches and athletes in order to fund his travels. Elevated-Sports is a consultant business he started not long ago to help train coaches. He's trying to make money by being a coach, but why he doesn't ask his athletes for a percentage of their winnings or even a monthly fee to work out with him, I have no explanation.
I don't think his athletes are Olympic medal winners, he's done just fine as a college coach, and probably earned more when he worked for a university or college.
He's in the process of writing another book, and I heard he's thinking about getting a Ph.D. as well as interviewing for various college jobs. He seems pretty undecided and directionless. It will be interesting to see what he does post Olympics.
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COS: thank you for the Coach Simmons run-down -- this helps confirm my initial research that he was on the up-n-up with WCAP: just think -- Maj Browne's getting all the props for maybe a couple months of DoD funded work. At least Coach Salazaar credited Brad Hudson for Dathan Ritzenheim's immediate success with NOP -- if I remember correctly, "I'm just putting icing on the cake." Unfortunately, the sport doesn't allow too many Americans to make money off our sport - only the elite-of-the-elite. All too often at the OTs you hear true stories of folks living out of cars (Alvin & Calvin Harrison), on friends couches (Boris Berian), and under the poverty line (Jeremy Taiwo) just to name a few. It's unfortunate that WCAP deliberately targeted US long-distance running to build their base of excellence with the Rift Valley Foreign Legion & exploit the OTs. Best-of-Luck to Coach Simmons!