Canova: "By two more marathons, [Bekele] will be under 2:03"

no

in munich she hammered it from the gun

in seville/sydney she only ran it hard from some point after 1/2-way, maybe from 6 or 7km point in

she did NOT have the confidence to run it hard from the gun, which is not surprising as both tulu/wami couda gone 29'50/30-flat in a cool-weather tt, so she was never going to break them

as for assertion that oppo always saved "just enough to outkick her", that is nonsense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_9ycqVzlWE

tulu took over just before the bell & absolutely cremated paula on last lap with a 60+ finish

tulu finished in 30'17

does anyone seriously believe the result wouda been any different if pace to bell had been 20s faster ???

agip wrote:

the 2008 bekele...maybe

I think everyone views this guy as the 2008 version of himself - fact is, based on his last couple years of performances... he is just another east african. No better, no worse.

There must be 30 guys all in the same general bucket and he's one of them. I just don't see any reason to think he is better than anyone else anymore.

Another marathon season come and gone and no Bekele, and certainly no sub Bekele 2:03.

When will the fanboys give up?

Bump for Renato!

agip wrote:

agip wrote:

the 2008 bekele...maybe

I think everyone views this guy as the 2008 version of himself - fact is, based on his last couple years of performances... he is just another east african. No better, no worse.

There must be 30 guys all in the same general bucket and he's one of them. I just don't see any reason to think he is better than anyone else anymore.

Another marathon season come and gone and no Bekele, and certainly no sub Bekele 2:03.

When will the fanboys give up?

When he retires. F*ck off.

Bekele is a doper. Who cares what he runs. All of his world records are tainted.

'he's tough but no real great speed at M'

So you do know where the caps lock button is

Nobody calls Bekele 'kennster' but you

He's shot and not going to run 2:04

GOAT includes two current WRs, Olympic gold medals, Olympic record, xc golds, WC golds. Does gebreselassie have any standing world records at the moment? (question)I think Bekele is GOAT, and if he runs under 2:04 that will be further cemented.

agip wrote:

the 2008 bekele...maybe

I think everyone views this guy as the 2008 version of himself - fact is, based on his last couple years of performances... he is just another east african. No better, no worse.

There must be 30 guys all in the same general bucket and he's one of them. I just don't see any reason to think he is better than anyone else anymore.

"If there was a top 50 list, Mo might make it."

Lmfao. Thanks for the laugh. You clearly have a very limited understanding of the running world.

tip top bekele could run 201.

that is back in the day.

now? with a decent training bloc you are talking a 10K in 26:40 and perhaps a 204 but not better.

so life goes on.

But he isn't the same era as Geb, and the drugs have been more powerful from the 2000s onwards.

And judging by the the relatively poor marathon record by Bekele. I would say Geb is still the GOAT.

2:01? You do understand what the world record is for 13.1, right? He's not running 2:01. I'd take that bet all day long for years and years. If it's certified, with pacers, and great weather, he's still not going 2:01. Dream on people, the limits for that distance are getting very close.

longjack wrote:

tip top bekele could run 201.

that is back in the day.

now? with a decent training bloc you are talking a 10K in 26:40 and perhaps a 204 but not better.

so life goes on.

Yes, just like back then when they said it was humanly impossible to run sub-4 mile.

What about Gebs realtively poor world xc record? Or does that not count.

The Goat argument wrote:

But he isn't the same era as Geb, and the drugs have been more powerful from the 2000s onwards.

And judging by the the relatively poor marathon record by Bekele. I would say Geb is still the GOAT.

to old saw

yep, that old comparison again. you really don't get it do you?

comparing the 4 minute mile from 1954 till now is very weak.

the 4th fastest time was done 31 years ago by Steve Cram! the current world record will be 17 years old this June, no one has even come close to it. you brought up the mile, so there ya go pal.

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in perfect conditons on a perfect course, and with pacers, Kimetto ran 61:45 and 61:12, he never was anywhere close to 60 flat twice let alone once.

His fastest 5k was 14:10 and you're asking him to average 14:14+ for over 8 of them in a row, not gonna happen.

your asking him to average 4:35 per mile (again, do you know that the half record will be 6 years old this March?) Do you know what that pace is?

2 hours, drug-free on a certified course is not happening for a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time, if at all.

True, but the importance of marathon by far outweighs XC, at least for the public. So unless Bekele can break the marathon record once, Geb still remains to be the GOAT. Just my two cent.

The Goat argument wrote:

True, but the importance of marathon by far outweighs XC, at least for the public. So unless Bekele can break the marathon record once, Geb still remains to be the GOAT. Just my two cent.

I don't follow here. So the WR in the 5000/10000 and literally unbeatable at World Cross in the long and short course (when the best runners were actually running XC) and a really fast marathon aren't as good as Geb who also broke the marathon WR? I don't agree. Bekele's accomplishments eclipse Geb's. I love Geb and he for sure extended his career with the marathon and did a tremendous job in terms of inspiring younger guys to go after it but Bekele was just better.

Geb had world title at at 1500 and marathon world record

Smashed world records which bekele only marginally bettered

And longevity

Great post!!!!! And I am in the same camp, he's not running 2:01, not happening.

The Goat argument wrote:

True, but the importance of marathon by far outweighs XC, at least for the public. So unless Bekele can break the marathon record once, Geb still remains to be the GOAT. Just my two cent.

When did the public say that? I'd bet that the public doesn't even know who Geb is.