Arthur Lydiard and his statements

Truth,

I am (nearly) at a loss for words here. I can't think of a more ridiculous dialogue than the one you are engaged in right now.

On one hand you say you have nothing against Lydiard, yet you really need to share with us how he lied, exaggerated and you take the time to put him in his place in regards to whether he coached someone.

Now putting aside sarcasm in regards to your weak command of the English language, let me say that I think 'Coach' perhaps has a different meaning to you in Finnish?? Is this possible?? Is the Finnish word for 'Coach' more meaningful?

For example: In English I can coach someone myself a small amount and if so then I have 'coached them', but whether I quantify the relationship is another thing, it requires explanation, like: "I went out to coach the athlete one morning, on their form." THAT is coaching a little.

Or I could say I coached an athlete once-per-month, but they have a day-to-day coach. Now I can say I coached them once-per-month because perhaps, I may know some things that the regular coach doesn't understand or doesn't practice....semantics?? Almost??

So when Lydiard 'coached' Viren, he 'indirectly' coached Viren, by coaching his coach. And perhaps he personally suggested to his coach and to Viren that Viren add a little pace to one run and a little distance to another run...this is coaching. IT IS NOT meaning he was his 'main' coach. In Finnish when you say the Finnish word for coaching or coach, is it absolute?

Please answer without freaking out, maybe some understanding will happen here.

Also, NobbyH is very well known by people in the running community. He is arguably the most knowledgable person on the planet of the Lydiard method, he even lived with him for a year. NobbyH is the co-founder of the Lydiard Foundation. I brought them here once for a weekend training thing and let me tell you, he knows a hell of a lot, he is an amazing resource. Why don't you ask him some questions, perhaps he can help you gain some understanding.

Anyway, NobbyH is not hiding, he has linked his email address. He is well known as Nobuya 'Nobby' Hashizume.

Here you have talked to people who knew Lydiard like HRE, Nobby and others and HRE raced against Viren and he also spent time with Lydiard on a tour. Perhaps they know a heck of a lot more than you give them credit for.

I just spent time today with another successful Lydiard method athlete, Rod Dixon, a great Kiwi who won the NYC marathon, bronze in world cross, bronze 1500m Olympics, we talked about his good friend and fellow Kiwi Lorraine Moller who was a 4 x Olympian. She has an article in the latest Running Times Magazine, it sits here right beside me. In it she wrote the article 'The Essential Lydiard' it a fantastic peice on the man who directly coached neither of these two great Olympians, but they trained using his principles.

I have interviewed these two people and about 6 or 8 others who knew Lydiard or used his practises. As far as anyone is concerned Lydiard's method is there for everyone to understand, as he shared it freely or nearly freely with everyone. There are so many interviews, books and people who know the method well and can continue to share it, that he is still 'coaching' people now and perhaps forever.

Am I lying or exaggerating? A kindler, gentler way of describing what I said is speaking perhaps in metaphor?

Remember coaching is both a science and an art. Good luck interpreting what I wrote here.

It´s obvious that you don´t find the words to deny my claims, because what I´ve written in this thread is all based on real life experience by Pekka Vasala, like you should already know. Don´t try that Finnish vs. English BS, a coach is what it is, and those claims by Lydiard and those what Pekka Vasala actually heard and saw, is true and not my opinion. Again, I have nothing against Lydiard and I know his importance here in Finland but a fact is that he overexaggerated=lied in that tv interview. If something that Lydiard or anyone says is not true, it´s then a lie, it´s this simple. Let me say one more time that I still honestly think that without Lydiard here in Finland wouldn´t have been so high level of distance runners, but actually there was two runners who puplicly and openly didn´t agree with Lydiard and still became famous runners. One is Jouko Kuha who ran steeples WR in 1968 and other was double European Champion Juha Vaatainen so you can´t say that it´s all thanks to Lydiard. Either of them had a coach, they were coaches of themselves.

Also, Nobby is well known? I didn´t know who he was and what I do with his e-mail? He tried first write as a "Nobby"

but he was forced to register or use his already registered NICKNAME.

Man ! A guy leaves town and country for a few weeks and gets back and reads this.

Thanks Wetcoast, Yes ! NobbyH did leave his identity.

If Mr Truth took time to check some of the threads on this site you will see that those of us who knew Arthur do leave our identities and anyone can contact us.

As for some of the garbage being written about what the Kiwi guys did or did not do when they went to Cerutty's Camp at Portsea need to check a little history and the reasons why they went.

As for Arthur never running Sandhills .. what relevance had that to Coaching ability.

One hill the guys ran in the Waitakeres that possibly never got mentioned here was the hill from Piha beach to the top of the Waitak's. You could run it 2 ways : Cutty Grass Track or Centennial Track .. Climb .. at least 1000ft. How do I know .. I ran the bloody things !!!

Another hill near my home. Pukematekeo .. 1 mile from a golf course to the summit .. Record .. 6 mins .. believed to be held by one PG Snell. How do I know about that hill .. I ran the bloody thing.

Oh Yes : Sand hills : West Coast beaches : a favourite haunt of Arthur's : .. Bethells beach had a few, just as good as Portsea .. Did the guys run them .. I will have to check .. But Arthur ran a hell of a lot in places like Piha and Whatipu .. What did they have .. Bloody great sand hills. !!

C'mon team get the facts right.

Hilarious! This has to be the thread of the year.

Hilarious! This has to be the thread of the year.

You want to keep repeating this claim about Vasala 15,379 times. In the 17th Century Johannes Kepler wrote an essay in which he proved mathmatically that any untrue statement will become true and believed true if it's the number of times it's made is 13 cubed multiplied by 7.

I saw this on a TV documentary in the early 80s and also translated part of the essay from Latin in my second year of high school. It was in our Latin text book.

Thanks Nobby and HRE

Truth,

You have lost your nut, mate. I try reason out why you may be so arguementive by suggesting that there is a misunderstanding, but I can see you are a person sorely lacking in the ability to control your own emotion-logic-meter.

On one hand you talk about your respect for Lydiard, then you put him down and you are arguing with every person here.

Schitzophrenia is no laughing matter, go get yourself analyzed. Come back and try to fit in when your medication is coursing through your capilleries.

the truth: wrote:

Nobby is well known? I didn´t know who he was and what I do with his e-mail? He tried first write as a "Nobby"

but he was forced to register or use his already registered NICKNAME.

Nobby is Nobuya 'Nobby' Hashizume. He was pesonally chosen by Arthur Lydiard to carry the Lydiard torch after he died.

Guys, if you are bored with this thread, check out this one:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3249879

Dude its obvious that TRUTH is Anontio Cabral..... The old looney highjacks threads and always argues with everyone.... eventually he will some how connect this thread to how portuguese runners are superior to any Lydiard trained athlete.

I don't understand how hard it is to comprehend.... Lydiard never said he coached any specific athlete... The only think he said was that he advised and worked with the coaches of A and B which is completely true.

HRE wrote:

You want to keep repeating this claim about Vasala 15,379 times.

No, I haven´t repeated it that much.

Oh, Anontio Cabral is obviously a Finnish man´s name. Did you mean perhaps Antonio? Still the same.

I have no life so I counted.

The truth: 96 posts (including 9 under "other" names)

HRE: 15

Those who think truth is Skuj: 7

Those who think truth is wellnow: 1

Those who think truth is NOT wellnow: 2 (3 including wellnow himself)

Those who think truth is NOT Skuj: 1 (2 including truth)

But Ray said he didn't think it's Skuj because at least Skuj is "usually" coherant; then truth admited that he's being consistent, meaning he's admiting he's as coherent as Skuj.

So there; he may not have (yet) posted 15000 times but he's hell of a lot closer to that number than anybody else.

time after time wrote:

Yes that is one of the reasons. Lydiard was not able to run up a sand dune. Sad but true. Which reminds me of another lie, that Lydiard often bragged Halberg had never lifted a weight in his life.

Herb Elliott, who probably did not even know that Lydiard existed, stated in his book that he saw Halberg lift a 60 pound weight above his head with his withered arm, a testament to the strength Halberg developed at the Portsea camp. Lydiard had his head up his ass. Another thing is that Lydiard said he always had time for Cerutty, but conversely, Cerutty would have nothing to do with Lydiard.

Why are you all bent out of shape and answering to me? I refered to "third time on this thread", not this "time after time" guy? Or unless of course you are the same guy, as well as the truth himself, as well as some other peple on this thread, all supporting one other's statement. Yeah, a typical Skuj trick.

Here's some question for you; if Cerutty's 30~40 world records claim is so well-known, how come the range is so big? 30 WRs vs. 40 WRs is quite a bit difference. Besides, as everybody else on this thread has been asking the truth and never got any straight answer; name them. Who did Cerutty coach and set WR? Elliot: 2 (one mile and 1500m)... And...??? Or are you counting EVERYBODY who even remotedly "visited" Portsea and went on and set the world record?

As humbly remote as it may be, I can count how many world records broken and set by "Arthur's Boys"--guys who were DIRECTLY coached by Arthur, regardless of your silly "truth" or "facts":

Bill Baillie: 2

Murray Halberg: 5

Barry Magee: 1

Peter Snell: 8

Gary Philpot: 1

time after time wrote:

...And I am not from Finland.

Oh, and this I apologize. You're right; you're from Canada.

the truth: wrote:

HRE wrote:

Whether you like wellnow or not he shows consistency and intergrity with his posts as far as I've been able to tell. Skuj is another matter.

Where I haven´t been consistent? I have consistently and with integrity told the truth, even when I´m not as great in English....

Now this is interesting... Why are YOU, the truth, protesting? HRE is only talking about wellnow and Skuj. HRE only said that wellnow shows consistency and Skuj is another matter; NO mention about THE TRUTH. Yet you came out and being defensive, saying, "Yes, I have been consistent..." Well, what would this add up to???????

Wet Coast wrote:

Truth,

You have lost your nut, mate. I try reason out why you may be so arguementive by suggesting that there is a misunderstanding, but I can see you are a person sorely lacking in the ability to control your own emotion-logic-meter.

On one hand you talk about your respect for Lydiard, then you put him down and you are arguing with every person here.

Schitzophrenia is no laughing matter, go get yourself analyzed. Come back and try to fit in when your medication is coursing through your capilleries.

Wet Coast:

Why do you even try? You know it's Skuj. He has special love-hate relationship with you. And, regardless of whatever, Skuj hates Nobby. Nobby didn't even touch the subject of Skuj or not even much of the truth himself (only defending wellnow) but the truth attacks him just the same. Skuj thinks he's the rightful owner to be Lydiard successor. I've read somewhere him saying that he "grew up reading 'Run to the Top' at breakfast table..." He thinks he should be representing the dead master. You know how things are at 4th grade. You like some girl but you just can't have her... What do you do? You be mean to her. Of course, as a 4th grader, he won't come out straight and clean; he would hide behind the door, thinking she won't know. He would mess up her desk while no one is watching, thnking she won't know who did it... But all along, everybody knows. But he keeps denying...strongly. That's a form of attention getting, istn' it? He hasn't grown up since. And all of us getting all serious and defensive. And he's loving it! Letsrun is Skuj's heaven; they'll never bann him. And he can be 50 diferent names for all we know and continue to enjoy his 4th grade love affair.

the truth: wrote:

Again to you Lydiard-admirer, I have nothing against Lydiard but you seem to have something against the truth. I have gave a credit for Lydiard many times in this thread but you just seem to ignore it. Why it´s wrong to be honest?

And what about your identity? You are as much "chicken shit"

as what you seem to claim that I am.

You see, this is so typical. All along, his line is always the same. "I have nothing against Lydiard but..." And this identity crap. I'm really getting tired of his childish play with this.

Hey, truth, just in case if you hadn't figured this out, if the name comes out in blue with underline, that means his/her ACTUAL e-mail address is available to public. It doesn't matter if he calls himself as Nobby or NobbyH or Knobby or whatever. You can send him an e-mail directly and see if really "Nobby" responds. You, on the other hand, continue to abuse the system and post 100s times under 30 different names, attacking the same old decent people like HRE. You really have a problem. You are sick.