Arthur Lydiard and his statements

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But Viren's coach used Lydiard's methods

When I worked with Arthur in Venezuela, he had regular correspondence with Paiverenda (not sure of that spelling), Viren and both of their coaches. He sent them advice, then sent him thanks for making them the runners they were. Good running.

Glenn

So what? The point is, he still wasn´t a coach of Lasse Viren.

I'm too young to remember, but after creating Olympic and world champions out of club runners, upsetting the world, and revolutionizing training, as it was then known, in the process, didn't he change from coaching athletes, to coaching coaches? So his role was more like "national adviser", rather than "Lasse Viren's coach". Isn't that obvious to everyone?What's the "thruth"?

the thruth wrote:

Arthur Lydiard wasn´t Lasse Viren´s coach (that was Rolf Haikkola from the start to the end of his career). He gave some lectures in Finland but what he claimed about "coaching" best finnish runners, it´s not true.

When and where did he say he was?

In one sense, Lydiard was a self promoter. Most of the really well known coaches are.

But Lydiard was truly way ahead of the rest of the world in training methodology for middle distance runners in the late fifties and early sixties.

If he had kept his methods secret and if he rounded up a couple of dozen highly talented runners from around the world, I believe his group would have dominated international competition for a pretty good stretch.

Instead, he talked, and shared, and taught his methods and ideas all the time. He influenced athletes and coaches all over the world and even to this day people use many of his ideas, although they may not know that is where they came from.

The Finns knew well where the ideas were coming from and they were smart to go to the source for guidance.

on the runs wrote:

When and where did he say he was?

Everywhere, he tried to take all glory he could take by claiming that "I coached this and that" after he only gave some lessons or advices. That´s not coaching.

the truth: wrote:

on the runs wrote:

When and where did he say he was?

Everywhere, he tried to take all glory he could take by claiming that "I coached this and that" after he only gave some lessons or advices. That´s not coaching.

he claimed Brain Sell was running 200 mile weeks too. I think that's BS as well. Some times things get cloudy with age.

What's the saying "The older I get the better I was."

Great job with all those citations and direct quotes.

Yes, but the system what Haikkola used wasn´t exactly like Lydiard´s, but it´s true that in Finland was coaches who took his advices quite literally (Sinkkonen, the coach of Pekka Vasala). Haikkola had a lot of coaching experience already when Lydiard was lecturing in Finland, and Haikkola was also a runner before his coaching career (14.14 5k).

What was the system that Haikkola used? Similarity with Lydiard, lots of running:

December 5-16th 1971:

5)AM 12k PM 24k (97´)

6)AM 8k (40´) PM 30k (107´)

7)AM 15k hills PM 20k including 5k at 100% (78´)

8)AM 9k fartlek (50´) PM 22k fartlek (100-300m reps) (90´)

9)AM 8k fartlek (50-100m reps) (40´) DAY 16k incl. 6x2.5min

PM 10k (50´)

10)AM 8k fartlek like yesterday DAY 16k (58´) PM 15k

fartlek (100-200m reps)(56´)

11)AM 8k (45´) DAY 8k fartlek (50-100m reps) (45´) PM 20k

fartlek (200-400m reps)(80´)

12)AM 12k (54´) PM 15k (60´)

13)AM 15k (64´) PM 10k fartlek (50-100m reps)(50´)

14)AM 15k (70´) PM 8k fartlek (50-100m reps)(45´)

15)AM 8k (45´) PM 18k incl. 8k at 34´

16)AM 10k (50´) PM 15k (63´)

Average 219KPW/137MPW

Hey Truth,

Everytime one of you misdirected or misinformed people come on here to dispel Arthur Lydiard, you bring out people who actually knew him, trained with him, trained under him or trained or coached or whatever under someone who used Lydiard's method.

So in effect you are helping to spread the word about the benefits of Arthur Lydiard training.

Why don't you try another direction, why don't you suggest Kenyans do not know how to train, or Viren's coach did not know how to coach, or Bill Bowerman was a failure or Bill Dellinger or Kellogg? Why don't you suggest Rod Dixon was a failure or John Walker, Ryan Hall, Sam Wanjiru, Jon Brown, Dick Quax, Lorraine Moller, Barry Magee, Peter Snell?

It is very odd, quirky behavior and serendipitous that you misinformed people come on here to dispel Lydiard and his methods.

All based on ignorance of coure. I hasten to say you are outrght stupid, you should get the benefit of the doubt and get labeled ignorant for now.

Hey, I just wanted to make a point that Lydiard didn´t coach Viren. A lot of people are thinking that he did.

I am not here to "dispel" him. And also where I have called that his methods are a failure?

Lighten up a bit.

right on the money.

say sailor wrote:

In one sense, Lydiard was a self promoter. Most of the really well known coaches are.

But Lydiard was truly way ahead of the rest of the world in training methodology for middle distance runners in the late fifties and early sixties.

If he had kept his methods secret and if he rounded up a couple of dozen highly talented runners from around the world, I believe his group would have dominated international competition for a pretty good stretch.

Instead, he talked, and shared, and taught his methods and ideas all the time. He influenced athletes and coaches all over the world and even to this day people use many of his ideas, although they may not know that is where they came from.

The Finns knew well where the ideas were coming from and they were smart to go to the source for guidance.

Based on your psuedonym 'the truth' which suggests that you are providing the truth over.....what? ...lies???

And your subject line: 'RE: Arthur Lydiard and his statements' meaning what? He lies??

And your first post about clearing up information on who Lydiard coached, I'd say that you have taken a negative direction.

Why wouldn't you have written something like:

I understand that Lydiard was not necessarily Viren's coach or not his main coach, can someone who knew Arthur tell me at what level he was involved with Viren?

Then I am sure some people who actually do know the answer from personal experience with the man, could tell you a nice polite answer like:

Great question there mate, Lydiard at this time was no longer directly coaching athletes, but was advising The Finnish National team coach and some of the athletes. THey were training pretty much the way Lydaird would have them train however, he was really an advisor rather than a direct coach. He did view some session and communicate with Viren however, it was Viren's coach who confided in Lydiard.

Now wouldn't that have been a much more productive bit of communication, Mr. The Truth?

Wet Coast wrote:

Based on your psuedonym 'the truth' which suggests that you are providing the truth over.....what? ...lies???

And your subject line: 'RE: Arthur Lydiard and his statements' meaning what? He lies??

You write too long posts, and you still don´t understand that all that I have to say, are that he didn´t coach Viren.

So yes, he lied! That´s a fact. Pekka Vasala wrote in his book that Arthur claimed that he coached him after Vasala did a short trip to New Zealand and trained with Arthur and Kiwi runners. Vasala had his own training program.

This is THE TRUTH and a fact. You can´t chance this even if you write a book Mr. Wet Coast.

Nore did he ever claim to be. What he said was that Viren used his method which was because Haikkola was one of the coaches Lydiard taught while he was in Finland.

He didn't coach Vassala either but there's quite a testimonial to Arthur from Vassala on the jacket of "Running the Lydiard Way."

the truth wrote:

>>You write too long posts, and you still don´t understand that all that I have to say, are that he didn´t coach Viren.<<

That's a pretty rich statement coming from someone who wrote that doozy of a sentence.

Have you ever heard of the quote?:

"What you do speaks so loudly, I cannot hear what you say"

Might explain a few things about your initial post, 'Mr. The Truth'.

Lydiard coached and or advised these athletes, get over it, it was good for everyone.

Your problem is that you are not giving any published quotes by lidiard as to what he actualy said (and he wrote many books), and you are also mischaraterizing statements. That's sloppy, and people won't let you get away with that when you attack a great coach (and you did attack him, even though you now are attempting to downplay it by saying "Oh, I was just asking"). First, show me the quotes from Lydiard's books (not compound hearsay that you heard that Vassala heard that someone else heard that Lydiard said "XYZ"). And even if Lydiard indeed said he "coached" or did some "coaching" of some of the best Finnish runners, that is not to say claimed he was their "coach" (which you accuse him of saying). Big difference. I have surfed but I do not claim to be a "surfer." I have run a marathon, but I do not claim to peple that I am a "marathoner." Big difference. Lydiard may have coached some of these guys at a clinic, and said he coached them, but that is not to say he was claiming he was their "coach."