middle distance wrote:UTTERLY MEANINGLESS! They are different athletes. You have no idea of knowing their individual build ups to the Summer season, frequency of injury, etc.
moron
doesn't your pea-brain grasp laws of basic satistics ???
more samples you consider, extraneous factors dissipate to a nutshell conversion
MORE RUBBISH. I have Coghlan's biography. After he ran his 3:50.6i in '81, he went on to run 7 outdoor Miles (not incl 1500m), thats more than double what Coe ran. After his '83 3:49.78i, he ran 6 outdoor miles. More than he ran at 5k. Get your facts right
idiot
how many 1500/mile races did coughlan have in '81 v coe or ovett ?
how many mile races did coughlan have in '83 v coe or ovett or cram or aouita ?
he never ran an outdoor 1500 champs after '78
So athletes improve an average of 1.25 (despite you saying it was 1.75 for Kip. ;0)) for 800m, but it's less for 1 Mile!? So what is the agreed conversion time for a Mile (indoors to out) in the land of Ventolin?
do some homework - do indoor/outdoor conversion for top 10 indoor list in same season
as for mile conversion - only a moron coudn't grasp rotational forces reduce with lessened speed = increasing distance race distance & conversions reduce down
AND YOU CALL ME A MORON? Your a f***ing idiot!
So Coe purposely chose to be in crap shape in the winter of '81, but be in much better form in the winter of '83?
how dumb are you ???
he runs 1'46.0i/1'41.7 & runs 1'44.9i/1'43.80 & you don't consider 1'46.0i to be rubbish ?
you are a complete idiot
Try Coe wanted to win the race in '81 and in 83 he was in a tougher race and the first 400 was faster. Doesn't take a genius to work that one out, but obviously requires a moron not to see it
moron
he was in 1'41.7 shape that year, it is nonsensical to consider 1'46.0i "wanted to win a race"
he couda solo run a 1'43.5i
you really are an idiot
WHAT LISTS DO YOU USE? Where is Kip's indoor record listed as 1:42.6?
Published lists will always be given to the nearest 1/100. For the basis of these message boards it's fine to round to the nearest 1/10. 1:42.67 is nearer to 1:42.7 than 1:42.6, but I don't give a shit what you want to put as your a law unto yourself anyway
moron
no law of myself
a 1'42.67 is a 1'42.6 colloqually
are you that stoopid ?
YOU THINK THROWING IN A FEW FORMULAS WILL IMPRESS OTHERS OF YOUR GREATER WORTH OR INTELLIGENCE OR RIGHT TO BE LISTENED TO? ......Yes, you probably do! Have met people like you before. I don't need to read Physics text books thanks. I'll use what most people on here use; rational common sense. Something which your ramblings show you have little of
complete & total utter moron
ignorant, stoopid, incapable of any semblance of innovative thought
stoopid stoopid kid
WHY WOULD HE WANT TO HOLD ON TO 49.1 PACE IN A RELAY WHERE HE WAS ALREADY 30M AHEAD? Your comment is irrelevant
to set a record which lasted into posterity
can you not think ?
Coe ran 1:43.0 (am I allowed to round down like you?) in 85 when he'd been training to run 5000m in the Winter and had loads of injury problems
bullshit
he ran only 3'32.13 that year - that is no indication at all that he did/have any successful 5k training previous winter, as his 1'43.07 was still far superior to his 3'32.13
all it shows is a 800 guy running worse at overdistance - 5k training doesn't do that
it indicates he tried 5k training, didn't like it & went back to 800
He was clearly able to run sub 1:43 on that day in 82 (as your previous post validated, and which you're now retracting!
no
i was recalling that race & your nonsensical hero-worship of coe's leg
i'm ascribing cram's performance as yardstick - equivalent outdoors/indoors
learn moron
coe ran 1'43.80 best that year in oslo
how the hell does that convert him down to sub-1'43 ???
Can we take anything you say seriously?) as he was in 84, 85 and 86
'84 - slaughtered in 800
- 1500 : injured cram/ill ovett, coe only less so & no healthy maree let alone aouita going instead for 5k
'85 - he was shit
'86 - got a decent clocking out of rieti - far from best 1500/mile seen at the time
It's rich you're implying that he couldn't run sub 1:43 again, despite running 1:43.0 and winning the European title in 86
he didn't run sub-1'43 again
tough shit
& his euro '86 title was against a cram who'd wasted his energy winning commonwealths in a fantastic run
but your happy to give Lagat 1:43 despite never breaking 1:46! Your reasoning is not only clearly biased, it's laughable.
You have no idea.
as countless other 1'43/1'44/3'29/3'30/3'48 guys like choge/asbel/etc have with none having run 53 to do it in their 1500 or +
ERR!? MOST OF THIS IS GIBBERISH! Yes Cram had no rabbit, but he had McGeorge up his backside for about 300m of the 2nd lap.
moron
no one 10m behind constitutes pressure when you are a 1'44 guy & other is 1'45
Cram's first 400 was 50.5 (incomparable to 49.1). How can Cram's leg split be the same as Coe's when it was more than 0.5 slower?
idiot
cram ran best off close splits
coe was not capable of holding onto 49s pace in '82 onwards
they both ran solo legs & coe faded more than he shoud
how you going to jack-up his oslo 1'43.80 ???
Cram's head was rocking at the end of his leg, Coe wasn't straining or out of breath at the end of his
bullshit
i remember the race, coe was struggling at the end
You said before Coe's run was worth below 1:43, now you're saying it was worth 1:44.01 based on what?..... what Cram was running!?!
You're making yourself look stupid now
moron
look above
if cram, conjecturally had run only 1'45.0 solo relay & an open 1'43.0 guy that year at oslo or zurich or rieti, then coe's 1'44.0 solo relay looks fantastic
however, cram ran ~ 1'44.5 for both relay solo & open in london
your coe argument for comparable to kip's 1'42.6i is utter drivel
MORE HYPOTHETICAL NONSENSE. Firstly he wasn't running an 800, he was running a 1000. That's 200m MORE
moron
greater the race distance over 800, the more a cram woud have liked to run even pace
Secondly his first 800m was pretty even ~ 51.9, 53.0.
So after 400m he went; 26.9, 26.1 and then 28.0.
Your suggesting he goes 26.9, 26.8 and then he's going to speed up in the last 200m to 26.5! It's not going to happen. People don't "kick" off that pace, it's about who slows down the least
moron
at 1k, he wouda liked to run as close to even pace all the way :
26.4 x 5
LOL! I ASK YOU A QUESTION AND YOU ANSWER IT BY CHANGING THE GOAL POSTS AGAIN! The same could be said of the other 2. Whose to say that 1:44.6 was optimum for Coe in '81. I could say, if he'd been fresher and not run the solo 3:31 in Stockholm earlier that same week, or had he not had a blister burst on his foot during the race he would have been faster too. If your going to make excuses then it works more than one way.
moron
i've never maintained anything other than coe shouda run 2'11-flat for 1k in '81