Did you ever post anything without thinly veiled insults, and without spinning the facts?
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Ghost Hellebuyck wrote:
For those wondering about the Peterson’s and UCD, Emma and Drew seemingly got out before they were let go. There appears to be no intention to hire a legit distance coach for 25-26, which means that there are probably plans to wash the whole coaching slate clean and reboot when UCD moves to the Mountain West a year from now. Sucks to take an ‘L’ for a full year, but on paper the men’s and women’s distances can’t really get much worse than they already are with or without an accomplished person at the helm right now.
Trust me, UC Davis can get worse and has been worse off. There were a couple years where the club team was stronger than the D1 team right around when Barbosa was fired.
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CBBCBC wrote:
Did you ever post anything without thinly veiled insults, and without spinning the facts?
Do you think ChatGPT was insulted because it knows it only posesses artificial intelligence?
Any spinning here came straight from ChatGPT, when asked to identify limitations based on criticisms of historical cases.
Maybe someone smarter than me can moderate a debate between ChatGPT and ChatGPT.
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jimbothecricket wrote:
Ghost Hellebuyck wrote:
For those wondering about the Peterson’s and UCD, Emma and Drew seemingly got out before they were let go. There appears to be no intention to hire a legit distance coach for 25-26, which means that there are probably plans to wash the whole coaching slate clean and reboot when UCD moves to the Mountain West a year from now. Sucks to take an ‘L’ for a full year, but on paper the men’s and women’s distances can’t really get much worse than they already are with or without an accomplished person at the helm right now.
Trust me, UC Davis can get worse and has been worse off. There were a couple years where the club team was stronger than the D1 team right around when Barbosa was fired.
Yes that's very true but they shouldn't actively trying to head that direction. They need to stop hiring temp coaches and start a real coaching search.
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Onemetertoomany wrote:
When I lived in the Sacramento area I used to run and train quite a bit with Shaddy, and John Mansoor, John actually was my high school coach. Here's my take: Shadrack always talked negatively about doping, suspected dopers and such. He talked about his brother making a pretty big jump, alluded to him being on the sauce. Talked a lot about his hesitations with Galen and being teammates at Oregon, and how that really put him off. He used to always be on the phone with Kenyan runners after our workouts, and would go back there occasionally to train. I don't think he has been doping, but thought maybe doping now could prolong his career so he didn't have to give people massages and such. I don't know for sure, but that is my gut feeling. As for Mansoor and his culpability in all of this, I do not believe that John knew, nor would he have encouraged it. John would not have helped get Shaddy get the job at Davis if he knew what he was up to. John has always played things by the book. I will try to get in touch in the coming weeks and see what he has to say. Sad days, but at least I don't feel as bad about getting dropped by Shaddy anymore...
You don't think John knew that he tested positive almost two years ago? John just keeps coaching him and says "Hey Shaddy you want to plan a race coming up?" and Shaddy says "No John I don't think so" without a reason? He just keeps coaching him for years without a race and without an injury and doesn't know a thing?
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jimbothecricket wrote:
Ghost Hellebuyck wrote:
For those wondering about the Peterson’s and UCD, Emma and Drew seemingly got out before they were let go. There appears to be no intention to hire a legit distance coach for 25-26, which means that there are probably plans to wash the whole coaching slate clean and reboot when UCD moves to the Mountain West a year from now. Sucks to take an ‘L’ for a full year, but on paper the men’s and women’s distances can’t really get much worse than they already are with or without an accomplished person at the helm right now.
Trust me, UC Davis can get worse and has been worse off. There were a couple years where the club team was stronger than the D1 team right around when Barbosa was fired.
Two coaches within the last 8 years with drug issues is going to be a hard record to beat.
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Aouita 84 wrote:
Old Ag wrote:
You seem to know about the UC Davis situation. What happened to the Petersons? I heard the John Mansoor is the current temporary coach? The UCD website has no information.
Thank you
If anyone knows the AD or Director of TN&F at the UC Davis athletic department, tell them to check their emails. A trusted and well respected coach on the east coast has confirmed that two well respected coaches, one of which is a retired elite runner who's made multiple national teams, including world cross country and world track teams and is currently coaching D-1 on the west coast, and the other who has been coaching at the D-2 level the past 10 years, have reached out inquiring about the job. Supposedly, neither have been contacted or have gotten a reply.
If UC Davis is simply trying to sh^t can the distance program, then say so! Now they look like a joke of a program, with an interim coach who is a convicted drug cheater. Not a good look for what is a great school academically and has the resources to be great athletically.
Sad!
Maybe Carl Rose finally got a job that he was applying for.
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curiously2 wrote:
SlowSlowMastersRunner wrote:
The doping is rampant in the PA USATF Masters group. Some of it is actual doping. Most of it are people on drugs for whatever health ailments people in their 50s, 60, etc, have, testosterone replacement, thyroid, etc, that also has health benefits.
I have a hard time believing reputable coaches wouldn't look at someone who runs a 3:53 at age 51 on a fast course run 2:45 on a slower course 15 years later at 66 and not think that guy is probably doping. Then when that guy enters a meet that happens to have drug testers at it, he runs two laps and drops out claiming a hamstring injury. Even if somebody lost 50 pounds, that's maybe a 3:10 marathon. If it defies logic, it probably isn't real. Of course when anybody on the circuit brings this up people get mad because the guy is a nice guy.
The Oregon USATF should test at Masters Nationals in December. It's be quite illuminating if they made everyone pee in a cup. Maybe Phil Knight could pick up the tab for it.
As someone who grew up in the Bay Area and ran with many older runners while I was still in HS, your post makes me very curious.
Really?? Rampant? I race against these guys all the time. And have for years. I have not seen/heard any evidence (or even rumors) of this. While I'm sure there are/have been Masters runners that use PED's of some, the suggestion that it is 'rampant' is total bullsh_t. Those of us that race at national events are subject to testing (whether we finish or not).
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Markfnmurray wrote:
curiously2 wrote:
As someone who grew up in the Bay Area and ran with many older runners while I was still in HS, your post makes me very curious.
Really?? Rampant? I race against these guys all the time. And have for years. I have not seen/heard any evidence (or even rumors) of this. While I'm sure there are/have been Masters runners that use PED's of some, the suggestion that it is 'rampant' is total bullsh_t. Those of us that race at national events are subject to testing (whether we finish or not).
The smart dopers microdose and use PEDs outside the window of time which will show up in testing. Not saying there is rampant doping in that region, just saying your argument is meaningless.
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CBBCBC wrote:
Onemetertoomany wrote:
Shadrack always talked negatively about doping, suspected dopers and such. He talked about his brother making a pretty big jump, alluded to him being on the sauce.
What? Duncan Kibet with his surprising 2:04 in 2009?
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More about this, please.
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Who is the next titan to fall?!!
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Markfnmurray wrote:
curiously2 wrote:
As someone who grew up in the Bay Area and ran with many older runners while I was still in HS, your post makes me very curious.
Really?? Rampant? I race against these guys all the time. And have for years. I have not seen/heard any evidence (or even rumors) of this. While I'm sure there are/have been Masters runners that use PED's of some, the suggestion that it is 'rampant' is total bullsh_t. Those of us that race at national events are subject to testing (whether we finish or not).
You should take your head out of the sand. Plenty of Masters are doping in Sacramento, much like Shaddy. Please name the events where the top Masters from Sacramento were drug tested. I would love to see that list.
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Markfnmurray wrote:
curiously2 wrote:
As someone who grew up in the Bay Area and ran with many older runners while I was still in HS, your post makes me very curious.
Really?? Rampant? I race against these guys all the time. And have for years. I have not seen/heard any evidence (or even rumors) of this. While I'm sure there are/have been Masters runners that use PED's of some, the suggestion that it is 'rampant' is total bullsh_t. Those of us that race at national events are subject to testing (whether we finish or not).
They really testing at the 5k XC Nationals this weekend? Random testing in the field you can't evade by choosing to you know step off the track after a lap, or just testing the top 3; out of competition testing you can't evade by you know withdrawing at the last second with a rando injury when you ran a near PR two weeks ago? Didn't think so. Wonder who will be the late scratches for that one if it's actual testing.
You may think it's harmless (and you have to know that it's going on), but here's the reality: one doesn't go from running 3:50 marathons in their 40s to sub 3 around 70 naturally. The reality of getting older as a runner is you (mostly) slow down. Maybe you go from 3:50 at 49 to 3:25 at 54 if you lost like 30 pounds or something. What dopers do is discourage people who are slowing down and cause people who do it right to not run. In that way, the dopers are actively harming the health of others. It's ridiculous and more should be done about
Also the rumors come from within your region and even within your club, they're about one male and one female. Everyone knows who they are. You do too, of course. Maybe now that USATF Marathon Champs are at CIM, they can spare a test kit or two and test those two, even if they don't race the race. Theoretically they're subject to out of competition testing.
If you really think that the entire field isn't doping on Saturday why not test the entire field and publish anonymous results showing the percentage of Masters athletes on PEDs. (There's a massive amount of TRT use going on in Masters athletics).
Oh and no evidence of this. Did you miss this, a guy busted by the Atlanta Track Club for taking massive amounts of performance enhancing drugs; think he even ran in your circuit (which presumably never bothered to test him for the years he was setting records because no masking agent is going to mask the entire pharmacy of PEDs that guy was taking; only when he traveled outside his region was he caught):
He's just the tip of the iceberg. If something seems unbelievable, if probably isn't believable.
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Markfnmurray wrote:
curiously2 wrote:
As someone who grew up in the Bay Area and ran with many older runners while I was still in HS, your post makes me very curious.
Really?? Rampant? I race against these guys all the time. And have for years. I have not seen/heard any evidence (or even rumors) of this. While I'm sure there are/have been Masters runners that use PED's of some, the suggestion that it is 'rampant' is total bullsh_t. Those of us that race at national events are subject to testing (whether we finish or not).
Also you cite National Masters events as being subject to testing as proof doping isn't going on. The last time your region hosted Club Nats, there was a 70+ National Champion. His name was Robert Qualls. Awesome testing system to not even test the national champ.
https://www.rtspt.com/events/usatf/clubxc22/mas_men60_age.html
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I dont want my name here21 wrote:
Markfnmurray wrote:
Really?? Rampant? I race against these guys all the time. And have for years. I have not seen/heard any evidence (or even rumors) of this. While I'm sure there are/have been Masters runners that use PED's of some, the suggestion that it is 'rampant' is total bullsh_t. Those of us that race at national events are subject to testing (whether we finish or not).
You should take your head out of the sand. Plenty of Masters are doping in Sacramento, much like Shaddy. Please name the events where the top Masters from Sacramento were drug tested. I would love to see that list.
The only one I know of was the Track 2024 Nationals, where there were a bunch of late withdrawals and one guy stepped off the track with a 50 meter lead...after 600m of a 5k.
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LOLOfCourse wrote:
I dont want my name here21 wrote:
You should take your head out of the sand. Plenty of Masters are doping in Sacramento, much like Shaddy. Please name the events where the top Masters from Sacramento were drug tested. I would love to see that list.
The only one I know of was the Track 2024 Nationals, where there were a bunch of late withdrawals and one guy stepped off the track with a 50 meter lead...after 600m of a 5k.
Exactly. Out of the two biggest dopers: One declared for the event the day before and then didn't show. The other pulled that stunt you mentioned. So obvious but nothing is ever done.
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Why do you say they were on their way out? Is there a potential connection to them and the interim coaches issues?
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