Finally watching the race makes it significantly more impressive for me. The rabbit was way ahead in the beginning (JH looked to be 15m back just after the start but the rabbit did get a bit ahead of the wavelight pace), and instead of just accepting that it was going to be a slog, she took it upon herself to catch up and hold on even after the rabbit left. Congrats!
Can all the religious bigots here, like this creten 👆, disparaging an 18yr old girl in a “running forum” for her personal religious choices . . . . seriously get a life. How very Christian of you to mock her in this way. 🤦♂️
Psychology plus shoes, opportunity, and maybe bicarb and/or wavelight, are all involved in the kind of distance revolution we've seen in the United States. Once Valby ran well under 15, it inspired a lot of runners.
4:04.62 is equivalent to 4:24.2, so Cain's mile and 1500m times are virtually identical, and Hedengren is just two seconds back at this point. Cain had a lot more speed and was a 1:59.51 runner, which was a national hs record to go with records at 1500, mile, 2M, and 5000m, although some were after she turned pro. Hedengren is not quite as good as Zola Budd, accounting for super shoes and wavelight, but then she also didn't grow up running barefooted in the hills of South Africa. But you see the potential in the extremely efficient and powerful form (compare Lexy Halladay-Lowry at 24--much more left at the end and good speed but all over the place in her form) and the size and the mentality. She will likely struggle in the kick for some years but will be able to break most American competition a few years down the road with that record-breaking kind of mentality to push from the front.
4:04.62 is equivalent to 4:24.2, so Cain's mile and 1500m times are virtually identical, and Hedengren is just two seconds back at this point. Cain had a lot more speed and was a 1:59.51 runner, which was a national hs record to go with records at 1500, mile, 2M, and 5000m, although some were after she turned pro. Hedengren is not quite as good as Zola Budd, accounting for super shoes and wavelight, but then she also didn't grow up running barefooted in the hills of South Africa. But you see the potential in the extremely efficient and powerful form (compare Lexy Halladay-Lowry at 24--much more left at the end and good speed but all over the place in her form) and the size and the mentality. She will likely struggle in the kick for some years but will be able to break most American competition a few years down the road with that record-breaking kind of mentality to push from the front.
She could probably break most American competition now but it's not part of her development plan at the moment.
14:57 is crazy. With that speed carried out a HSer currently has 1:08 half/2:23 marathon potential. She will hopefully only get better. Might see a lot of ARs go down in her career. But to that point hopefully she enjoys her time at BYU & has fun with it. We put a lot of pressure on HS stars. It's a lot for a young person to manage.
Honest Zola Budd inquiry. She opted to forego all “shoe technology” of any sort and run barefoot. Wouldn’t this mean that “advances in shoe technology” would be irrelevant in comparing current times to hers? She ran barefoot then and would choose to run barefoot now. Unless you’re positing that if Zola Budd ran today she would opt for “super shoes” and not run barefoot. (Something I doubt). Zola Budd was and remains a remarkable athlete . . . (aside from tripping up Mark Decker . . . in the 1984 Olympic 3000M final)
Honest Zola Budd inquiry. She opted to forego all “shoe technology” of any sort and run barefoot. Wouldn’t this mean that “advances in shoe technology” would be irrelevant in comparing current times to hers? She ran barefoot then and would choose to run barefoot now. Unless you’re positing that if Zola Budd ran today she would opt for “super shoes” and not run barefoot. (Something I doubt). Zola Budd was and remains a remarkable athlete . . . (aside from tripping up Mark Decker . . . in the 1984 Olympic 3000M final)
I imagine even Zola would have recognized the massive mechanical advantage of plated shoes today. Keep in mind she was setting those record over 40 years ago! In fact, years later she started to wear shoes because of recurring foot injuries.
4:17 @ 18 years old (again no shoes)!! That record held until Muir broke it 38 years later in 2023.
Look at her last lap in this 1500. Let us appreciate this greatness so long ago
Is there some place where we can learn the details of how Timpview is developing these athletes? If you do a little poking around, they seem to have a great youth program in the area (Roadrunner running club). I imagine that they have a highly optimized system, almost professional. I have a ton of questions!
I imagine even Zola would have recognized the massive mechanical advantage of plated shoes today. Keep in mind she was setting those record over 40 years ago! In fact, years later she started to wear shoes because of recurring foot injuries.
4:17 @ 18 years old (again no shoes)!! That record held until Muir broke it 38 years later in 2023.
Look at her last lap in this 1500. Let us appreciate this greatness so long ago
I think Ryun and Budd are the two most eye-opening U20 athletes ever. What they did in their conditions (Ryun on crappy tracks with crap footwear, Budd barefoot) still holds up. If you want to include Bekele in XC, that works too (I'm not buying Eliud's age for the 2003 World Champs).
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Is there some place where we can learn the details of how Timpview is developing these athletes? If you do a little poking around, they seem to have a great youth program in the area (Roadrunner running club). I imagine that they have a highly optimized system, almost professional. I have a ton of questions!
It's not "these athletes" that are being developed. It's one girl, Jane Hedengren.
Yes, they have a youth running program but so do lots of other towns. Jane just happens to be mega talented. You could send a thousand other girls to Timpview and not one of them would turn into Jane Hedengren.
I imagine even Zola would have recognized the massive mechanical advantage of plated shoes today. Keep in mind she was setting those record over 40 years ago! In fact, years later she started to wear shoes because of recurring foot injuries.
4:17 @ 18 years old (again no shoes)!! That record held until Muir broke it 38 years later in 2023.
Look at her last lap in this 1500. Let us appreciate this greatness so long ago
I think Ryun and Budd are the two most eye-opening U20 athletes ever. What they did in their conditions (Ryun on crappy tracks with crap footwear, Budd barefoot) still holds up. If you want to include Bekele in XC, that works too (I'm not buying Eliud's age for the 2003 World Champs).
I would include Gerry Lindgren. He tied the 6 mile world record when he was only 19 years old.