Parker Valby is the most talented girl in the country

That was just her season opener. How many runners peak during their season opening race?

one item I noticed is, if I read things right, the TX course was estimated to be only 5 seconds "faster" than the Wisconsin course which contributed to the 14:51 rating for that run. Does that make sense?

What in the world are you talking about? What injury history of Cook? Her profile has her running every meet possible since junior high (and even elementary), only the covid season is there a competitive gap, but even that season she flys out to Tennessee for one of the rare races. I mean seriosly did you even look at her profile?

She runs her full JR HS year without even small gaps, she is well outside the medals at the Texas State XC meet (7th) and struggles to qualify for the Texas state Track meet and doesnt medal in the one event she qualifies for.

SR year she crushes footlocker with an easy win (previous years she wasn't even in hunt to qualify) and then in track season has no problem to fly out to California unnattached for a race to break the HS record and throws down a performance that suggests she would be a legit threat at the World U20s championships beating even the africans - all expenses paid by USATF with $1000s in USATF gear and greatly increased NIL opportunities. Does she goto USATF U20s in Oregon? Nope but of course there are maditory doping controls for all qualifiers, and then a large window of WADA random doping control risks in Cali, they arent necesarily put in the random "whereabouts" pool but that becomes a greater possibilty.

Tuohy didn’t go all out at nuttycomb captain obvious!

Valby ran the fastest NCAA xc 6k of all time, ever, by any athlete on any course, by a very wide margin, as a solo run with no competition.

She will smoke everyone in the conference.

Valby didn’t go “all out” either.

Unless the rest of the field underperformed (perhaps because they got dragged out early on), then yes. I assume the temperature slowed a lot of people down despite the “course” being fast.

lmao!👌

So, a fast course in a race at 82 F and 70% humidity with maybe a too fast early pace for much of the field slowed them, but the FL runner could handle it all. That could be, as at first blush one would think that course would be 20+ seconds faster than Nuttycombe ex conditions.

I was shocked by her winning time, particularly being run essentially solo when I first saw it yesterday. The conversion is a a really fascinating fast rating. I too raised my eyebrows.

However; with that being said, I thought about this a lot last night. What if you’re wrong? Just playing devil’s advocate here. What if you’re incorrect? This allegation against her could potentially affect the rest of her life.

I feel bad for Valby right now, when we really should be celebrating (admittedly with jaws dropped and eyebrows raised), and studying her performance.

My guess is the course was 200m short

82 F and 70% humidity is nothing for Florida runners who have been training on days that hit 93 to 95 for seven months. The temperature wasn't even below 70 once at night between April and Hurricane Ian. Valby ran 15:48 5k pace for 6k. It's not worth close to 14:51. But of course she is faster. She ran 10:10 as a junior from a program that is nowhere near national quality. I looked up their results and at a recent meet, the East Lake girls won a small meet with a 22:48 5000m average. Their best girl ran 21:48. Valby ran low 17 for that program. That shows you a tremendous talent for a program that never produces anyone good. Then she had a senior hs season and freshman college season full of injuries (hamstring, hip, achilles), then had some health last year for xc, inconsistent. The fact that she's improved a lot with consistent training makes total sense. Tuohy's progression is very similar. She was her best in hs as a sophomore, then she regressed due to injuries and all of a sudden burst on the scene at full strength last year indoors after around 16th place at xc nationals. Now she is the most or second most dominant runner in the country and crushed Valby at the end of 5000m nationals this year. So, all the Tuohy fans need to stop spamming the boards just because she has a challenger. As for Solinsky, a lot of the drug rumors posted above were named by Salazar, who had a long feud with Schumacher, and even so the latter kept his runners away from Dr. Brown once he realized he was not legit.

Meanwhile, in the locker room, Tuohy is saying “I can run that”.

Nationals is going to be AWESOME!

My take is less PEDs, and more playing a dangerous game with caloric restriction.

We've seen this happen before. A talented girl flirts with getting a little too lean in college, has major breakthroughs in the NCAA for about 6-18 months, and then either they correct course for their long term development or they don't and it comes crashing down, sometimes disappearing from the sport all together. They might be super talented like Molly Seidel and still be world class while having recurrence of the eating disorder. The could be talented enough to win a few NCAA titles despite poor fueling like Allie O. But the chickens always come home to roost, and there can be consequences in the pro career, especially when it comes to building the bone density to withstand the training load as a pro.

That's why when you see women who slowly lean out over a decade and look like that in their 30s when it is more hormonally appropriate (say, Emily Sisson, Shalane, Des) that is more of a natural process of adaptation to training and high mileage. Someone like Katelyn Touhy who is able to be dominant while looking healthy in the NCAA I would bet a lot more on her long term trajectory. I think Emily Sisson is an excellent example of a super talented women not taking shortcuts, doing great in the NCAA, and progressing until she is the best in the country and running internationally competitive times.

The red flags are all there--history of being injury prone, check. Big breakthrough on a lot of cross training, check. Looking much leaner than high school when she was already quite lean, check.

A photo from of Valby from the other thread, calorie restriction could possibly one of the key, maybe that is why UF are recruiting runners with ED?

How does it work? I heard that is what Natalie Cook is doing too, but isn't that also the reason why Mary Cain burned out? She was forced to lose weight and was on calorie restriction?

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Valby's 15:20 was worth 15:05 AT LEAST. Her 1st 3k was 9:23 - right around 5:00 pace which is 15:37 pace. She then RIPPED the last 2k, which indicates insane fitness. Her last 5 laps:

Cain burned out because she gained weight.

so, what you are saying is Tuohy's 15:18 was "worth" close to 15:00? 2 seconds faster over the last 1600. Just trying to understand......

After coming up short by a few seconds, and losing the 5000m championship to touhy this past spring, she said in her post-race interview something to the effect that she was only running a couple days/week (coming back from injury). So if she was telling the truth, why wouldn’t we see improvement after more consistent training?