Molly Seidel Seeking TUE for Adderall - Will not run NYC Mini 10k

If this aids her concentration isn't that an advantage/an assist to her?

Again, what about the girl with the poor running form, what assist are you giving her?

I'm pretty much identical to you. I was first diagnosed as OCD. This was when I was about 35. It was obsessive thoughts on a loop that I had no control over. It was destroying my relationships and life.

A simple SSRI made my symptoms 60% or so better.

A few years ago at around age 42 I was diagnosed with ADHD. The inattentive kind.

Started Adderall and it's been like a second chance at life for me. My head is so damn quiet now! When I lay my head down on my pillow at night I can mentally just turn my brain off and go to sleep.

So I'm basically going to be on a SSRI and Adderall until I die. My life is 100% better and I just wish I'd have figured this out when I was 15.

As for performance enhancement I don't think it's made much of a difference either way for me. Outside of being able to sleep better and actually having the head on my shoulders to cook healthy meals.

ADHD is for real folks. Nobody outside of my family and two friends know I'm on Adderall. I don't wan't to deal with the same crap being said to me that y'all are saying. lol

Everyone I've met who used adderall was a serious drug adict. They were abusing other drugs and were usually alcoholics. Hopefully she actually needs it, but this is a dangerous road she's going down.

Adderall = OxyContin

Both are highly addictive and vastly overly powerful drugs that never should have been approved for use, except for in the most very extreme cases.

Has anyone here worked with people on either drug? I have worked with both. Its very sad.

Adderall is by far worse when it comes to the work place. People on Adderall, especially at work, act/present almost exactly the same as one addicted to crack cocaine or methamphetamines.

The most unfortunate thing about it is that the people on these drugs dont realize that everyone else around them sees it. Sad. Very sad.

All the more reason to love her. She's always had that "addy-baddy" energy. you go girl!

surely this is what’s currently being assessed. If it’s deemed to be performance enhancing for her then no TUE.
If she gets the TUE and abuses the medication then she’s still subject to drug testing and I’d presume would be banned.

Based on the test schedule ( you guys look it up on your own) and the time she was on it . She must of had a positive test for this Amphetamine. Is this a back dating process she is doing . Positive test without a TUE , is this cancelled if you get your doctor to say it was prescribed months ago ?

If she is aware of its effects, I'd like to believe she'd be aware of possible withdrawal symptoms!

How do they function in a work setting though successfully? Crack heads can't make it but those on Adderall in a corporate world do?!

I would be REALLY really careful in saying you’ll be on adderall for life. Unlike an SSRI, as you take it longer your tolerance will go up and you’ll need to take more of it — and the crashes will be harder and harder, especially if you take it daily. I’d also have near panic attacks when I ran out and it became an endless cycle of waiting for my monthly script to refill.

It’s great it’s solved some problems for you but take it from someone who was on it for 12 years and finally got off it, there’s some VERY real long term impacts to being on it for a long time. I was borderline suicidal during my withdrawal after finally quitting and it took me a full year to finally feel normal. Not saying that will happen to you but please be careful.

At all levels, I completely agree with this.

We need to keep in mind about what the term therapeutic actually means when you are talking about a TUE.

Adderall, with regard to ADHD, can be therapeutic when the therapy is all that is present toward a goal of improving quality of life for those using the prescription.

But ADHD is mental and sometimes crossing into the emotional and/or psychosocial realms.

Therefore, the physical changes in heart rate, blood pressure and motor speed could be damaging to the psyche of someone who had OCD.

Furthermore, the impending anxiety across all mental and metaphysical realms with sudden change along with OCD and ADHD would drive even a stable soul into a tailspin.

Now they are anxious, frazzled, easily distracted and FEEL differently.

There is no way within the matrices presented across a Venn diagram of social, physical, metaphysical and emotional realms where adderall plus elite competition seems even remotely sane therapy.

This Is exactly why it must be no.

That's a good point. Awhile back I was tempted to go to my doc and try to get an ADHD med or ADD med to improve focus, feel stronger, faster, smarter, etc. But then I read about withdrawal and got scared. As someone with some OCD this thread has been very helpful in keeping me in check and keeping me learning about this.

What most of you are getting wrong is that for a person with TRUE adhd, this medication is effective and improves one’s overall quality of life whereas if this medication is taken without actually having adhd it can be detrimental and decrease your quality of life. You really can not compare the two… if she is truly adhd and suffering on thst front, this medication is relieving for her and can help her lead a semi normal lifez

Wha? Makes no sense, the test for asthma is to measure various lung volumes and peak flows, then give the patient a double dose of Ventolin, wait a bit and retest. If they don't have any significant improvement, they don't have asthma. Simple as that. I know a respiro tech who says he tests the machine by testing himself. he doesn't have asthma and so he knows the machine should not pick up improvements.

Besides, airflow is not the limiter in long distance running/cycling, it's lactate threshold, O2 utilization, haematocrit, running efficiency, waste removal, power/weight ratio and more.

If you think those freaks with VO2max of 85-90+ just have bigger tidal volume (amount of air beathed in/out), you're wrong. Tidal volume is largely unchanged with training, what changes is the strength/endurance of the lungs, increased capillarization, increased O2/Co2 permeability etc.

I appreciate your support on this claim.

I'll give myself as an example...to wit, I've never sought out a clinical diagnosis so I'll keep this personal to me...

Since i was a kid, i was louder, more extreme, more easily frightened, more sensitive to loud noises and more easily frazzled and harder to calm down than other classmates.

I gravitated to sports and hated movies because sitting still.

I'm claustrophobic, acrophobic (no roller coasters please) and especially agoraphobic.

Well before the pandemic.

I'm unmedicated.

i know who i am...albeit wildly unpredictable.

Medicate me. I become the person you wish to see.

Congratulations!!!

But what would I do when I don't know myself.

when new elite Molly exists as new elite Molly??

What will she do?

so is this combination really therapeutic?

if you put me on a crowded flight heading to a race...how well will i do after what you call my "therapy"

Is putting new Molly on a marathon course therapy?

Some people forget the complexities.

11 pages of arguing over this?

are the runners of letsrun this naive?

the assumption should be that every elite runner at Molly's level is on PEDS. period.

You should be "shocked" when they are proven to NOT have taken any.

this thread is like people arguing over whether WWE/WWF wrestling is scripted. Anyone actually with common sense just laughs that people are that oblivious to the facts around them.

expecting rojo to delete this BTW

When I received a bonus a few years back that brought me to 250k, I was so mad I actually stopped showing up at work for an entire week (ignored all emails etc). It was entirely offensive to be paid that much.

I'm 100% not making this up.

Adderal is all of those feelings? How about something that makes me happy?

A loophole you could drive a truck through. Mumbo jumbo gobbledygook. What a joke.

"In exceptional circumstances and notwithstanding any other ISTUE provision, an Athlete may apply for and be granted retroactive approval for their herapeutic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Method if, considering the purpose of the Code, it would be manifestly unfair not to grant a retroactive TUE."

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/USADA_TUE_Policy.pdf