Wow…..Brian Flores is suing the NFL for discrimination!!

carmine9 wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

This is Feb 2022. Not Sept 2021. You di get that?

Meanwhile, 1 black head coach in the NFL. 32 jobs. In 2022. Not 1952.

You're aware that the NBA pre-season starts in early October right? If I hear there's 12 coaches in late September I'm going to assume no one got hired or fired 3 days before the season starts. That's not how franchises operate.

Do you fail to understand the concept of the present? The now. You said there are 4 black head coaches in the NBA now. When you made that claim, there were in fact 12. Still trying to justify your lie.

Are you lying or literally to stupid to understand what you read. I didn't say "there are 4" I said "there's like 4". If you don't understand the difference between those two quotes that's on you.

The word "like" has a definition.

I didn't know the actual number because 1. I don't care. and 2. It does not matter unless you're a racist.

0 white cornerback out of like 120 cornerback jobs in the NFL. You do not think racism has anything do with this?

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

This is Feb 2022. Not Sept 2021. You di get that?

Meanwhile, 1 black head coach in the NFL. 32 jobs. In 2022. Not 1952.

You're aware that the NBA pre-season starts in early October right? If I hear there's 12 coaches in late September I'm going to assume no one got hired or fired 3 days before the season starts. That's not how franchises operate.

Do you fail to understand the concept of the present? The now. You said there are 4 black head coaches in the NBA now. When you made that claim, there were in fact 12. Still trying to justify your lie.

Are you lying or literally to stupid to understand what you read. I didn't say "there are 4" I said "there's like 4". If you don't understand the difference between those two quotes that's on you.

So now your argument is 4 is "like" 12? Well, they are both numbers, both integers, both even numbers, both evenly divisible by 4.

But 12 is 3 times as many as 4 so in this case that is one lame argument

12 is also way too many by your lame logic...

I don't know. If you have evidence of actual racism, I'm all ears. When I say actual evidence, I mean an email or an affidavit from someone quoting an owner that says something like "Even though Crennel is more qualified, I am going to hire x because he's white." You whining about racism doesn't mean it actually exists. What I have witnessed for decades is owners who are completely clueless on how to hire GMs and coaches and it has nothing to do with racism. I'm also not exactly an NFL owner fanboy and think that many of them are horrible people but I don't see much evidence of them being racists no matter how much the woke crowd complains.

Ben Shiller wrote:

I don't know. If you have evidence of actual racism, I'm all ears. When I say actual evidence, I mean an email or an affidavit from someone quoting an owner that says something like "Even though Crennel is more qualified, I am going to hire x because he's white." You whining about racism doesn't mean it actually exists. What I have witnessed for decades is owners who are completely clueless on how to hire GMs and coaches and it has nothing to do with racism. I'm also not exactly an NFL owner fanboy and think that many of them are horrible people but I don't see much evidence of them being racists no matter how much the woke crowd complains.

This is a moronic take. Semi-competent people don't put their racism in emails. Asking for such evidence is just refusing to acknowledge a problem exist.

In the sane world, we look at patterns of facts and determine if they are reflective of racial bias... not wait until the wrong-doers roll over and say "you got me, I am racist!"

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Are you lying or literally to stupid to understand what you read. I didn't say "there are 4" I said "there's like 4". If you don't understand the difference between those two quotes that's on you.

So now your argument is 4 is "like" 12? Well, they are both numbers, both integers, both even numbers, both evenly divisible by 4.

But 12 is 3 times as many as 4 so in this case that is one lame argument

12 is also way too many by your lame logic...

Nope. 12 is the actual number. Not the 4 you claimed

Got to secretly tape them. Like Donald Sterling.

Simply amazing that the NFL having one black coach for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

Endlessly amusing that you think it's "moronic" to want evidence. Surely the opinions of mind reading wokesters is all anyone should need to destroy some else's life.

We can't actually prove anything but we've read everyone's mind and determined no evidence is necessary.

carmine9 wrote:

Vancomycin wrote:

This is a moronic take. Semi-competent people don't put their racism in emails. Asking for such evidence is just refusing to acknowledge a problem exist.

In the sane world, we look at patterns of facts and determine if they are reflective of racial bias... not wait until the wrong-doers roll over and say "you got me, I am racist!"

Got to secretly tape them. Like Donald Sterling.

Simply amazing that the NFL having one black coach for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

Simply amazing that the NFL having 0 white cornerbacks for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Got to secretly tape them. Like Donald Sterling.

Simply amazing that the NFL having one black coach for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

Simply amazing that the NFL having 0 white cornerbacks for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

I would LOVE to hear some of Carmine's private conversations... He'd put the Klan to shame.

That's all you have is blindly dismissing this as moronic and then blindly assuming that all owners are racist with zero evidence? Sounds convincing.

If there really were this massive racism brewing, then it should not be too hard to get someone on tape saying something bad. At the very least, someone who works with these racist owners surely would have something you could subpoena or depose out of them. Maybe you think a guy like S Ross micromanages the whole organization (and all of his many other entities) so as to keep all racist thoughts and actions out of view from everyone else. Do you think it would take more than a few minutes to get something damning on tape from the 3 guys who killed Ahmaud Arbery? Those are actual racists. Again, I'm totally open to hearing evidence that the owners are racists but saying that they are racist because there is 1 black head coach right now doesn't cut it.

Also, are the women owners (who aren't hiring women coaches) and owners like Shahid Khan (the ones with not so white skin) also racists or is it just a smaller subset of white guy racist owners in your world?

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Got to secretly tape them. Like Donald Sterling.

Simply amazing that the NFL having one black coach for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

Simply amazing that the NFL having 0 white cornerbacks for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

This guy thinks this is a zinger!

carmine9 wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Simply amazing that the NFL having 0 white cornerbacks for 32 teams in 2022 is not seen as obviously racist by so many

This guy thinks this is a zinger!

If you were more clever you'd understand the relationship.

You have zero doubt that 100% of the cornerbacks have their jobs because they're better at it.

The notion that the coaches have their jobs because they're better at it doesn't even penetrate your tiny mind.

If we accept your premise that the owners are not racist and they just pick the best person for the job……are you saying that in the entire US of A there is only one single black man qualified to be a head coach in the NFL??

Are you saying that in the entire US of A there's zero white men qualified to be a cornerback in the NFL??

It would be helpful to read what I have written. I have stated (repeatedly) that I think the owners DON'T hire the best people for the job and continually hire bad people. That doesn't mean they are racist. Saying that there is 1 black HC today (versus a month ago when there were more but most were fired for doing horrible jobs) and so there must be racism (without offering a single other bit of evidence) is a pathetically lazy way of viewing the world. Again, show me some evidence of an owner being racist (versus these blanket statements that all owners are racists with zero evidence supporting it). Is Shahid Khan racist in your book? If he is, does he pick on certain races more than others? Does he also pick on women since he doesn't have any female coaches? He's Paki-American so does he really have it out for Indians? I don't see any Indians playing or coaching for him.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Ben Crump wrote:

If we accept your premise that the owners are not racist and they just pick the best person for the job……are you saying that in the entire US of A there is only one single black man qualified to be a head coach in the NFL??

Are you saying that in the entire US of A there's zero white men qualified to be a cornerback in the NFL??

Try to answer the question instead of answering with another question. I can give you a list of Black men who are qualified to be a head coach in the NFL. Let us see your list of white guys who deserve to be starting/playing cornerback in the nfl. I’ll wait……….

Ben Crump wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Are you saying that in the entire US of A there's zero white men qualified to be a cornerback in the NFL??

Try to answer the question instead of answering with another question. I can give you a list of Black men who are qualified to be a head coach in the NFL. Let us see your list of white guys who deserve to be starting/playing cornerback in the nfl. I’ll wait……….

"Deserve"

There's your problem.

Entitlement.

Nobody owes you anything.